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    Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    A long time ago, I received some help from this board and I am asking again. TIA

    I need help with inserting Optional Hyphens in a document. When I asked this a while back (sorry I lost the info) a received a reply that ASCII code or ANSI code could be inserted in Word 2002. I believe you press the Alt key then type in a 3 or 4 digit number. I do not remember what the number was for optional hyphens. Can some one please help me out? Also does any one have a good ASCII and/or ANSI chart that they are willing to share?

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Word has a shortcut key for an optional hyphen: Ctrl+- (type a minus sign with the Control key held down). You can see this shortcut if you select Insert | Symbol..., then click the Special Characters tab.

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    A table of ASCII or ANSI characters is not going to help you locate the optional hyphen, because that is a Word-specific use of a certain character. But if you're interested, do a Google search for ASCII characters or ANSI characters or Unicode characters. Tables of each will be among the first hits you get.

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Thanks for your help. Talk about trying to make it harder then what I needed to. <img src=/S/cool.gif border=0 alt=cool width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Hi Hans,

    I'm using Word 97 (Spanish Ver.), and hadn't noticed the optional hyphen you mention (which, by the way, I had been looking for a LONG time!!!). Instead I used another optional hyphen: Ctrl + Alt + - (press the minus sign while holding Ctrl and Alt). This is way longer than the one you refer to.

    In both cases, the minus sign to type is the one in the numeric keyboard, otherwise it won't work (at least, in my ver. it won't)
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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Hello Diegol,

    As far as I know, Ctrl+Num - (press minus on the numeric keypad while holding down Ctrl) inserts the character known in English as an n-dash (it has the same width as the letter n in the same font), and Ctrl+Alt+Num - (press minus on the numeric keypad while holding down Ctrl and Alt) inserts an m-dash (it has the same width as the letter m in the same font). These are not optional hyphens, they are always visible.

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    And to make the list complete(?), there's the non-breaking hyphen, Alt+30 or Ctrl+,," (the shortcut is from the German version and might be different in other language versions).
    This prints the same as the regular hyphen, but doesn't allow the line to break after the hyphen.
    (You might use it for example in "gerundium = -ing form" or "A-Z")

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Hi Hans,

    Yes, that's exactly what the key combinations produce. I think my answer has to do with the fact that I don't know what Optional Hyphen means... I thought it was a different kind of hyphen, but for your certainty on this matter I now realize it's not <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>.
    When I tried the Ctrl + (non-Num -) I got nothing, so I thought you were referring to the Num -. Today after reading your response I gave it a second try, and again, I got nothing. Until I thought of clicking on "Show Paragraph Marks". Then I found this mark:
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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Diegol

    If you use Insert > Symbol > Special Characters then you will see this dialog box, which shows the name, symbol and shortcut...

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Thank you very much, Stuart.
    That dialog box is in fact where I got the 'Em Dash' shortcut from (some time ago, that's why I hadn't noticed the 'Optional Hyphen' line), but it's good to be reminded of it.
    The thing is... when I insert the hyphen, it behaves exactly as I described: you won't see it unless Show Paragraph Marks is on.
    So, what's its use?

    Thanks again
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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    The optional hyphen won't be printed unless the word it is in would be at the end of a line of print, but it is slightly too long to fit into the line entirely. Word will then break the word at the optional hyphen and print it as if it were a standard hyphen. See attached screenshot.
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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Now it ALL makes sense (even the Optional part). <img src=/S/cool.gif border=0 alt=cool width=15 height=15>

    Thanks to all of you for your time!!
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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Hi Diegel,

    The purpose of an optional hyphen is to tell Word that it is permissible to break the word where you place the hyphen (this is in addition to any permissible hyphenation places Word may already have saved in its dictionary).. You only see the effect if the word comes at the end of the line where it could actually be hyphenated.

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    Hi June,

    Thanks. I was missing that part until Hans posted the last attachment. BTW, I've just read a WOW or WOW-MM issue from some weeks ago that mentioned this Optional Hyphenation. Maybe that's why I wasn't familiar with the terminology...

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    Re: Optional Hyphens (Word 2002)

    You can also use the optional hyphen by manually hyphenating. Be careful, if too many of these get in the document we have found that the document gets "junked" up. We noticed this when we put in an optional hyphen and the text moved just slightly.

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