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    Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    (later: I went trawling through this forum and found the following threads)


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    Agony. I have to post a message on a thread I can't find with SEARCH. I just KNOW that posting this is going to cause me headaches a few weeks down the road.

    I can't find posts related to this matter, but I seem to recall reading it (and wondering what you-all were going on about) when Geoff untied my wrists and legs and removed the blindfold.

    Also I'm not sure whether it's the SEARCH or EMAIL-notification-response that's doing it.

    I've just essayed by searching Palm forum (I've never been there before) for "Palm" and then entering the Palm forum. I still see "New" posts there, so maybe it's not the search mechanism, but I am left thinking it has caused me problems in the past.


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    I need to post a query in VB/VBA. Before posting it I search to see if anything related to this topic has been posted (in which case the solution may exist and I don't need to waste your time in responding, and more importantly, I don't have to waste MY time waiting for your responses).

    Nope. Nothing like this has been posted before, although there are a few near-misses.

    I post my question then decide to check what's new in VB/VBA while I'm here.

    Nothing is new. All the new posts have been marked as READ, presumably because the Search engine has visited the VB/VBA forum on my behalf and has READ each and every post.


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    I respond to an email-notification, a response to my posting. I'm taken into the forum, do my stuff, and get out of there. The next time I dial-up and enter the lounge, all posts in the forum appear to have been marked as READ; there are no NEW posts.


    SO
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    I believe that SEARCHing prior to posting is a GOOD THING.

    I believe that responding to new posts is a GOOD THING.

    Either I'm doing something wrong (a BAD THING!) or the board isn't doing much to help me do good things.

    I'd appreciate any help. As the board gets bigger (more users flock to see your humorous rejoinders to my postings) and the volume of posts increase (Hey! maybe they can answer MY question!?!!!) a fully-functioning search mechanism is vital.



    WHAT I'D LIKE
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    Or at least, what I'd like to try: An user-profile option that inhibited any message being marked as READ unless I chose to do so manually. I could then be sure that nothing slipped my attention.

    Of course, I'd also want that select-all to go along with the mark-as-read button so I could clear out the lot at the end of a marathon session.

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    Re: Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    Hi Chris:

    I can't change the Lounge (only <img src=/S/eileen.gif border=0 alt=eileen width=17 height=15> can). However, I can tell you what I now do since I get confused as to whether I read a post or it got read for me.

    I take out a pad & keep it next to the computer. I go to a forum (they're sorted by descending date, flat mode) & start with the bottom entry for that date. Sometimes I start 8 hours before, because of the time zone.

    1a. In IE, I work my way up the page with Shift+Click (opens a link in a new Window) or the technique in 1b.

    1b. In Netscape, I have to right-click & choose "open in new window". Also, I scroll to try to put the messages reasonably close to the top because when you right click, the context menu can open so your cursor is near the bottom (bad) or the top (good) of the context menu.

    2. With my other hand, as soon as I've clicked the link, I Alt+Tab, to bring me back to the forum index page. I keep doing this until I have about 10 windows open. Note that too many windows is no good because someone could be responding before you get to the message. However, when you finish responding, you'll see all the messages before you leave.

    3. Then I click the last one on the taskbar, & keep clicking 1 at a time until I'm back to the first (bottom) link.

    4. I write down the last link I clicked, so that if the computer crashes or the mark read gets screwed up, I know where I left off.

    5. Then I just start reading & responding, from left to right.

    If things get screwed up, I write down the last message I read (just the title or post #). Then I can reboot, go back to the Lounge & pick up where I left off. Note that if anyone has entered a new response during this time, it will be pushed up to the top of the list.

    Hope I haven't bored you with my "compulsive" reply <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>.

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    Re: Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    Hi Phil, Chris:

    Phil's method scares me (10 windows open!) And I couldn't be bothered to note down where I was on a pad (that Phil doesn't mind doing so illustrates the habit of mind that has enabled him to collect such an encyclopedia of Word lore over the years).

    For my part I just rely on memory to let me know where I left off - but this is a real pain given that on busy days there can be 60-70 new posts on the Word forum (just go away for a few days...).

    Eileen has responded before, that the only way to enable reliable read/unread marking for each individual post, would be to store some specific tag for that property for each post in the database, for each user - something that would get really unwieldy and slow.

    I am certain though that on Ye Olde Lounge, that's exactly how the read/unread marks worked - posts would stay marked as unread, through any number of visits, until I actually did read the post - this was much better. On the other hand, the old Lounge eventually slowed to an unusable crawl, and this may have been the reason why! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Gary

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    Re: Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    >>Phil's method scares me (10 windows open!)<<

    Ah, then you should see me on Holloween! 15-20 windows open.

    >>For my part I just rely on memory to let me know where I left off<<

    I always knew you were younger than me, but I keep forgetting that <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    When you're as old as me, you can't even remember there's something you've forgotten. <img src=/S/nuts.gif border=0 alt=nuts width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Marked as read SEARCH or RESPONSE

    Phil, I'm as scared as Gary (grin!) but no, your response didn't frighten me away.

    I tried your suggestion of opening many New Windows, and (1) Netscape crashed and (2) it doesn't solve the problem of an interrupted session (when I run out of time and have to disconnect.

    I know that the pencil-and-paper works, and I use them regularly (I use a real diary instead of one of those electronic things etc.). However, in the case of an organised database of stuff, it seems to me that the computers should be doing the boring and repetitive stuff, taking the drudge work off our hands and maintaining records for us.

    I note too the response about time-costs of maintaining flags. I remember that. Not sure it should really make that much difference.

    Pity, really. I'd feel I could spend more time on "essential" questions if I felt comfortable in catching up on "interesting" posts when time permitted.

    For example, the bulk of my "Code:" posts in VB/VBA fall into the "interesting" rather than "essential" catageory. For many people they probably shouldn't even read them, but consider them part of a pre-stored repository of reserach material. Someone sensing a series of functions (like the bool/Hex stuff) may want to leave the early ones unread until we come to a climax, and then read them all at once, in context so to speak. Or read.

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