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    Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Noted other material online here and elsewhere about Norton System Works 2003 giving XP the creepy crawlies. Hmmm.

    Attached is my Task Manager at a point when the CPU Usage is 100% which seems the norm these days. Can't find anything in our substantial library of XP, Office XP tech books about CPU Usage and specifically what to do about it. Windows Resource Kit strikes out and so does Levine/Young Complete Reference Windows XP at least as to any specificity on what to DO about it.

    Would be great if a list were provided about programs that SHOULD be left in XP setup and those that can be -- should be? -- removed such as msmsgs.exe

    Would appreciate any tried and true thoughts on NSW. I've got a feeling Ghost and GoBack are the cause of a lot of the "go slows." Do we need them both?.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Well Wild Bill I'm sure I'm gonna get an ear full for this, BUT NSW is a Resource Hog and I have seen Benchmark test done that says so. I have heard many people complain about GoBack and some of the problems it has caused them, in several different forums. A quick search on Google will give you some of those threads. Ghost I have not heard to much about that is negative, but then again I don't hear a lot about Ghost period anymore. I personally have found { in my opinion} a much better and I know a less intrusive product that does everything I need and then some. I use to use NSW, but never again. But AS I said that is just my opinion and I am entitled to that. Some people swear by NSW, and programs like GoBack and Ghost and my hats off to them. To each his own and to own is not to rent.

    Read these articles in PC Magazine PC Mag Read all of them on that site.

    Here is some good and bad reviews on GoBack I seen your problem in there a lot.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Shucks, Cowboy, you just can't win. My sweet, innocent little boy, Major Bill -- one of the Army's IT stars -- sed both Ghost AND GoBack are staples in keeping the machines going in our fine armed services. And, better believe it, he wudn't lie to his old pappy. So, having checked with him first, I got this package from Symantec and installed it. LOTS of LOUNGE folks who seem quiet here today had said it was necessary to get GoBack if I wanted to go to Heaven.

    To console myself I called my cousin in Fort Worth and told him to lay off them prairie dogs and stay away from monkey pox. But that's a virus of a different type.

    One trick I learned a long time ago, DISABLE Norton Anti-Virus Auto Protect when doing something NOT online.... Word, and such. That does help.

    Any scuttlebutt on the cowboys?

    Hawai`i Bill

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Bill--

    Just a couple thoughts and links. As a premise, although there are a number of NSW conflicts with different 3rd party apps, in and of itself, NSW 2001 or 2002 or 2003 do not do anything to slow XP at all--at least in my experience.

    I am in the camp that doesn't use RGB because it can wipe out XP on installation--it reconfigures the MBR and can and has in a significant # of people destroyed partitions to the extent you cannot boot up to windows. Microsoft has a KB on this, but their inane solution for when you see a 21A stop error is to uninstall RGB and make sure you have the newest patch for it. Only problem is that when you see this BSOD, you aren't going up to Windows with a step-ladder or a helicopter because it has destroyed your MBR and partitions, and it will ignore your FIXMBR or any other command from the Recovery Console. MS has not been able to tell me how you would boot to windows under these circumstances--boot discs won't work either.

    Are you asking what process to have going at startup? Besides the various startup managers, available from download sites and others, Pacs-Portal Startup Applications and Black Viper's XP Service Configurations will help.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Well, Bill old boy, I felt I have to put in my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> here and defend the position again. I have to agree with Major Bill, so far as GoBack is concerned, ( so rest easy as to where you may end up. <img src=/S/devil.gif border=0 alt=devil width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/flee.gif border=0 alt=flee width=25 height=25> ) but I don't use Ghost but Drive Image. I have Norton SystemWorks 2002 installed. but without the Ghost. If NSW slows down my system, it sure isn't noticeable to me, and the advantages it provides would far outweigh any slight slowdown, if it were there. Your CPU useage number 2 highest, is from Norton Anti-Virus Auto Protect, not the systemworks package in total.
    As you know, all of the pros and cons of ANY problem with a particular prog is VERY dependant on the nature of the system it is being installed on and the related hardware /software configuration in use. What works wonderfully on one, might bomb out on another. I suppose the best test is to disable one thing at a time and give it a good chance to see if a real difference is made or if it's a matter of mind over matter. Enable that and disable another, etc. I don't think it's NSW giving you the "slows", but that's just my opinion. Don't know if there is a big difference in 2002 or 2003, though.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Viking hit on a very good key point. Different System's handle things differently because of the vast differences of Hardware and Software Configurations in each machine. Whats good for one is not always good for all. My machine runs best with PC-Cillin, and I use Drive Image For Exact Copies of my disks{which I do on a weekly basis} and believe me I have tried them all. I love playing around with Software and I know what works best for me. As pointed out in the sites above, some Loved them and some hated them. For you it's going to be up to you and what your Machine likes. Pretty much just that simple. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Tell Major Bill I said it's a cover up by the Government <img src=/S/rtfm.gif border=0 alt=rtfm width=24 height=23> to destroy the world with GoBack And Ghost and that I know he works for the CIA {Computer Infection Agency} <img src=/S/eyeout.gif border=0 alt=eyeout width=15 height=15> And I was in the Armed Services and the only Machines that worked good was the Dish Washing Machines { meaning the guys on KP} <img src=/S/yikes.gif border=0 alt=yikes width=15 height=15>
    Just messen with ya Bill. Shoot I don't care myself, just know what I and others have experenced with those products as pointed out by some of those sites above. Some were good ,some were bad.

    As for the Cowboys, I'm just waiten for Football Season. Should be interesting.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    I am using Norton's System Works 2002 with NAV 2003. I have not and will not install CleanSweep, Go Back and on earlier vesrions CrashGuard. These will doing but eat up your performance. But as for the Utilites and NAV I have not seen anything that will beat them.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    I use to keep a copy of System Works around to run Win Doctor if I ran into a problem. But thats about it. I uninstalled it as soon as I was finished with it. Now I rarely use anything like that. But I never had a problem with Nortons tools.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Bill--

    I know this must be an old refrain to you, but besides doing a systematic check by eliminating processes and start up applications and seeing how this changes things with an eye to when you think the slow-down started, go after any spyware because as you know well it only takes one culprit to start taking up CPU.

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Well, shucks, Cowboy, I don't have time to do a whole lot of experimenting. Or the funds to buy the software. Maybe you should forward your castoffs!

    GoBack has saved my okole (look it up in your Hawaiian-English dictionary) twice so it's doing something right. But my lack of understanding about what's going on "in there" makes me wonder what's happening as its files are updating while I want the CPU to do other stuff. If you get my drift there.

    But there is just too much to know these days. I've learned, for example, that NSW2003 apparently doesn't allow you to disable the scan of outgoing files. If that can be done, I'd sure like to know how as I spent an hour wading through every help screen I can find. Right, no user manual, just online help. <img src=/S/help.gif border=0 alt=help width=23 height=15>

    I've been feeling worse than my machine this week so not able to do much in terms of answering all the kind help being posted. I'll be better soon.

    Aloha from the middle of the <img src=/S/sailing.gif border=0 alt=sailing width=25 height=25> Pacific Ocean

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    Thank you Dave, but a lot of folks here -- before this string -- praised GoBack and it has saved my pork chops twice since I installed it!

    And that in ways that System Restore wouldn't touch!

    So what's a poor old boy in the middle <img src=/S/sailing.gif border=0 alt=sailing width=25 height=25> of the Pacific Ocean supposed to do?

    <font color=blue>[b]Hawai`i Bill

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    SMBP,

    As usual, your posts are very much appreciated. Some of the acronyms chill my eyeballs so they are flopping around on the floor now trying to thaw out.

    RGB? BSOB? MBR? Just when I think I've learned something I get back into the lounge and learn that I actually know nothing! And my son just called in for Fathers' Day and I failed to ask him. Shucks.

    I'm trying!

    [b]Hawai`i Bill

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    Re: Norton System Works & SLOW (XPP SP-1 removed)

    SMBP,

    Nothing is old hat to this old cowboy and I appreciate every tip. I've been working on your principle here but I need a boost on "spyware."

    Whassat?

    [b]<font color=blue>Hawai`i Bill

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