P2P Win2K + W98

[Keely]

I've been searching in this forum and haven't found anything quite on topic, but if I've missed the answer somewhere else please point me in the right direction.

My dilemma is this: I'm attempting to set up a little P2P network involving a desktop running Win98SE and a notebook running Win2KP. I have been able to set up all-W98 P2P's before by matching the network protocols exactly (trial-and-error there), but W2K is stumping me.

The W98 machine has the following under Network Configuration: Client for MS Networks, the ethernet and dial-up adapters, IPX/SPX for each, TCP/IP for each and File and Printer Sharing for MS Networks.

The W2K machine has Client for MS Networks, File and Printer Sharing for MS Netowrks, NWLInk NetBIOS, NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBIOS, and TCP/IP installed.

When I try to browse the Computers Near Me on the W2K machine, it shows nothing (not even the notebook). I can only find the notebook from the notebook ( <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15> ) if I browse the Entire Network.

Both machines have been assigned to the same Workgroup.

I know the hub is working because when I attach a third machine to the hub, another notebook running W98SE, I am able to map the desktop drive from it okely-dokely.

Please help! <img src=/S/sigh.gif border=0 alt=sigh width=15 height=15>

[DaveA]

Have you shared any drives from the Win2000 machine?
Also have you turned on the Guest login?

This may be a start. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

[Keely]

Hi Dave:

I saw your post from another discussion in this forum so I have enabled the Guest login, and I have the C: drive shared on the W2K machine.

[DaveA]

I noticed that you have 'NWLInk NetBIOS' on the Win 2K but not the Win98, why not both ?
just looking at what is different!!!

[Keely]

Well, I guess part of it is that I am not entirely sure that the NWLink IPX/SPX/NetBios protocol is the same as the IPX/SPX protocol under W98. I also don't know what the equivalent W98 protocol is for the NWLink NetBIOS. Okay, I tried installing IPX/SPX on the W98 machine, and no change.

I have often tried to run a P2P network without IPX/SPX installed, but have always failed. As soon as I got IPX/SPX installed on all the W98 machines, I was on the dance floor. I don't get it.

[DaveA]

Now, are you running the likes of 'ZoneAlarm', if so have you set them up to allow them to be accessed by the other computers?


Back the the basics:
All machines have 'Sharing' turned on?
All machines have at least ONE drive shared?
All machines with printers have 'Shared' the printer?

Check 'Properties' of the network, I have the following, in addition to the hardware entry:
Client for MS Networks
File Sharing for MS Networks
Internet Protocal (tcp/ip) I have a cable modem

I do NOT have NetBios or the IPX/SPX running on any of my 4 machines.

Hope this might help.

[Keely]

Okay, here's where I'm at: I disabled ZoneAlarm, which I had running on the W2K machine, and rebooted. When I browsed the Network, I was at least able to see the W2K machine.

Now, with the help of KB article <A target="_blank" HREF=http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q258/7/17.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=gn&FR=0&qry=Q258717&rnk=1&src=DHCS_MSPSS_gn_ SRCH&SPR=W98>Q25817</A>, I decided to try adding the NetBEUI to both machines. That ups my list of installed protocols to nearly everything, but that's another matter.

Lo and behold, it worked. I am now able to browse to the W98 machine from the W2K machine and map the drives I've shared, although not vice versa (and frankly, at this point, I don't care!).

My concern now is that if I turn Zonealarm back the W2K machine will get stealthed again and not know where to find itself, or it's new friend. What can I do?

[DaveA]

The IP address's of each computer must be entered in the Security, Advanced, ADD>> are of Zone Alarm. This must be done on each machine in order for ZoneAlarm to allow the other machine in.
Hope this step helps <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

[Keely]

That seems to make sense, although neither of the machines have IP addresses that I know of - how do I find that out? Do I just make up a number, or is there a magic address I should be adding?

I have another P2P network at home of all W98 machines, all running ZoneAlarm and none have IP addresses assigned that I know of, but they still all see each other (and themselves). Of course, they are connected via a Netgear Cable Router with the whole hardware firewall thing and DHCP this-that-and-the-other, does that make a difference?

Why is this stuff all so confusing and inconsistent? <img src=/S/crybaby.gif border=0 alt=crybaby width=15 height=15>

By the way, thank you so much for your assistance. It's been a two-way conversation so far, but I hope this helps other Loungers setting up their mixed-OS home or SOHO networks.

[DaveA]

On a network each nic (Network card) is assigned a IP address otherwise the router and/or other computers would NOT know who was who.
For a simple in depth, how to, have a look at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.pcnineoneone.com/howto/hmnetwk1.html> How to Home Networking</A>. This is at the PC911 site which is a great site for hardware and OS information.

[Ron M]

Dave thanks for the PC911 reference. I was browsing these postings because I have a new W2K machine and need to move my stuff from my old Win 98 machine to the new one. I found something on their site that explains what I have to do. Now all I have to do is "just do it". Another success for Woody's site!! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

Ron M

[kkroupa]

Dave, I"ve been going nuts trying to get 2 win2k computers networked at home. ONe is a laptop from work that usually logs in to the khf.org domain (both at work and over a VPN). I also have a home computer that can log in via the VPN to the khf.org domain. But at home, i want to be able to P2P network them, without attaching to the work domain. I have a simple hub to which both are connected. And I AM using Zone Alarm....but do not static IP addresses. At this point, I"ve turned it off to remove that variable from the picture. How is the best way to network these 2 computers? And thanks for all the tips.....
Any help is appreciated.

[DaveA]

I have NOT delt with the VPN networks, but as I understand, to have BOTH vpn a p2p, you must go in the network wizard each time you boot up and give the correct settings for which ever network you want to connect to.

I think there may have been a thread here that was suggesting a 3rd part software that handle this, but I could not find it. I could have been on the OLD Lounge and was lost.

Hope this helps.

[Leif]

I think this previous post <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=2000&Number=61795&page=&vie w=&sb=&o=&vc=1>here</A> may be the one Dave is referring to.