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    NTFS vs FAT32

    I am reinstalling win 2000 Pro, and am currently happy with FAT32 on a 4GB primary partition and a 20GB logical data partition. What are the pro's and con's of changing to NTFS in the new install. What programs or utilities might not work? What are the overall benfits of MS's shiny new file system??
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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Microsoft provides an overview in Overview of FAT, HPFS, and NTFS File Systems

    A Google search for 'NTFS versus FAT' (without the quotes) will provide more information, for example http://www.ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm, and many others.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    These may help also:

    FAT vs. NTFS File Systems in Windows XP by Alex Nichol MS-MVP
    NTFS vs. FAT 32
    Converting FAT32 to NTFS
    NTFS and FAT 32 Another part of the Site Hans linked.
    TTV:NTFS vs. FAT32

    NTFS is considerably more secure; more stable against crashes; has built in encryption and a better file system. Remeber if you're multibooting, and have Win 9X as one of your OS's, that FAT32 can't read NTFS files, but you can partition.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    SMBP among others knows well my trials with Win2K of late... and through it all, I noted a seemingly insignificant, at the time, point: No, you cannot access an NTFS partition from a FAT32 partition, seemingly minor, unless you run into any *real* problems, and, pardon my out-dated stance, but being able to drop to DOS to handle deletions etc. was a real work-saver...

    Then today I was working with Stephen MacDonald at Helios (makers of TextPad), to get TextPad to work as the default "notepad" ... in spite of the omni-present Windows File Protection...

    And it was a piece of cake from DOS, because the WFP couldn't see what I was doing till it was done...

    Just an opinion, y'all...

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    This is very useful Chuck. I almost included some link to this along these lines:

    (Thanks To Kelly's XP A to Z article on NTFS under "N":

    NTFS Reader for Dos from www.ntfs.com
    Dos NTFS Boot Disk to Access NTFS Partitions in Windows XP, 2000, or NT


    This is <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>
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    "NTFS Reader for DOS provides read access to NTFS drives from the MS DOS environment. It supports long filenames as well as compressed and fragmented files. NTFS Reader for DOS allows you to preview the files on NTFS and copy them from NTFS to FAT volumes or network drives. In order to use the software you need to copy the readntfs.exe file to a bootable floppy disk and boot from it." (NTFS.com)
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    This is easy to use and can be run from a dos bootable floppy.

    "These important features allow you: Save and run from bootable floppy; Display complete physical and logical drive information; Support IDE / ATA / SCSI drives; Support large (more than 8GB) Hard Drive Support NTFS, NTFS5 file systems for reading; Support FAT12, FAT16, FAT32 file systems for data writing; Support compressed and fragmented files on NTFS; Support partitions created in MS-DOS, Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP Display non-english and long file names; Preview file(s)/folder(s) before copying; Support search by file name or mask; Display content of the file in Hex/Text mode by Disk Viewer"

    NTFS Reader for Dos 1.0

    This application allows users to read an NT File System from a DOS bootdisk!:

    My Bootdisks.com Read NTFS

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Now these may prove to sway...

    VERY GOOD,

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    SMBP:

    But if I'm reading all this right, I can *read* NTFS, but not write it?

    Could I do any type of file management from "dos"? Backups? Copies? And do you think Norton Ghost, (runs from DOS) be able to create a partition image, since it's the whole partition and not individual files?

    I already almost fried my mind this week... I'm not ready for two...

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    I have used Ghost to copy and restore NTFS partitions with no problems. You need to be sure that the version of Ghost supports the NTFS version you have.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Stuart:

    I'll check the version info... thanks.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Stuart:

    I saw notation on the Symantec site about saving *to* an NFTS partion... but not saving *from* one...

    I'll check Google et al...

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Thanks to everyone who replied. I have followed up the various references, and confirmed my original gut feel that the benefits do not do it for me. Perhaps I am also a luddite, but I like the feel of a DOS emergency boot disk, and would not be without it
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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    There is a pdf file on the symantec web site, which compares the functionality of Ghost 7.5 corporate edition and Norton Ghost 2003. One section of this document covers file system support and claims to offer the following functionality from both products
    <UL><LI>Sector-by-sector treatment of all other file systems
    <LI>Automatic partition resizing (FAT16, FAT32, NTFS)
    <LI>Manual partition resizing (FAT16, FAT32, NTFS)[/list]When I use Ghost 7.5 Corporate Edition to back up my NFTS Partitions it produces a .GHO file that I can browse with Ghost Explorer when I am online and that contains all the files that were on the NTFS partition.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Chuck--

    You forgot to say which version of Ghost you're using. I'm not sure when they introduced which functionality but it would appear the answer is yes on Ghost. Poke around the Symantec KB's. They don't make it as intuitive as they could but you can overcome that by going here:
    Search the Symantec KB by Product and Version.

    Storing Ghost Image Files Directly to NTFS Partitions
    Analagous to say, Exe Soft, Symantec has some very useful information for Windows components and file systems on their extensive knowledge base. Some of them are clearer or more extensively written than some of the MSKB's so they make a nice supplemental "go to source."

    Also you might want to poke around good 'ole www.bootdisk.com/utility.htm and www.bootdisk.com poke around and get familiar with the site

    Search on Copy from NTFS File System Ghost 2003 Symantec Knowledge Base

    On any type file management and backup from "dos" I want that to be answered by people with considerably more experience in doing dos backups possibly with Ghost recently who can provide the best answers. But you can troll here for openers:

    Google Search NTFS Backup from Dos and also make it a point when you do these searches to hit "Groups" which archives many of the newsgroups. Some of the threads can be your best help at times.

    Your mind is far from fried--it's just stretched and it feels a little fried. Check out
    Ghost Product Highlights
    Ghost's New Features here

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    Chuck, We use Ghost at work to backup to a network NTFS partition & restore from it to NTFS partitions. I've also used it to backup & restore to/from local NTFS partitions. I've also used it to backup & restore in a mixed FAT32 & NTFS partition environment. Also, you can do many of the things you wish in a command window if you start task manager. Then open the command window. Next use task manager to end the explorer.exe process. Use your normal 'DOS' commands to do what you wish. Then use task manager to restart explorer.exe.

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    Re: NTFS vs FAT32

    SMBP:

    Typically, Symantec doesn't even make version checking straight-forward.

    I'm running Ghost/Norton SystemWorks 2001, which shows the Ghost Explorer as version 6.5.0.131...

    I THINK, if I'm processing correctly, that NSW 2001 can make an NTFS image fine, and restore it fine... the problem will arise if you want individual files, which usually you do with the Ghost Explorer...

    I'm going to have to read through the others links you just sent, SMBP...

    Also, if my memory serves, when I tried NTFS (pre-virus detection) it switched around my drive letters... so that my original "C" (Boot) drive had "no" letter, "D" became "C", "E" became "D", etc....

    Is this accurate? Is there any fix for this?

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