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    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by DaveA on 20-Jul-03 07:29. )</P>I have just read this which must be bad news for a lot of us if it is true.

    "New version of jv16 is out but it'll cost ya $30. All his loyal helpers, those who helped jv develop jv16, were duped. Very, very, very disappointing - not necessarily the fact that he's now charging for the program, but that he didn't indicate to anyone that he planned to do this. Can't even trust the good guys anymore.
    The Company is now Macecraft Software, with a new website.
    http://www.macecraft.com/

    It was also said that you were told to uninstall your old version before installing the new one. It was only later that you were told that the program had now to be paid for. As I said ,I only read this so not sure if it is all true. I`m not going to try it out....just keep the free version I have.

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    Re: jv16

    I've been following a discussion on this over the last few days. It all appears to be sad but true. The bright news is that
    RegSeeker 1.06 Beta
    appears to trump jv16 in the registry error/ cleaning department; although it doesn't offer all the other tools of jv16. However, there are other small, dedicated, <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>ware programs available to fill those gaps.

    http://www.hoverdesk.net/dl/en/RegSeeker.zip (247 KB)

    Last time I heard from Jouni, the author, he was off to do his years national service with the army. Maybe they taught him about charging money for things in his survival training. Life goes on <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>.

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    Re: jv16

    Hi, Alan ~

    I have been using RegSeeker for a little while and have been in contact w/ the author who intends to develop and improve it and am quite impressed with it. It found hundreds of dead entries that a combination of all the other progz could not immediately after all 5 were consecutively run.

    There is a caveat, however. The program does not feature any 'safety' settings like JV's RegCleaner component and is strictly noted for advanced users only.

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    Re: jv16

    Hi Bruce

    I agree - this program looks promising, and a few more features, such as a backup/ rollback, would be significant improvements. I'd also agree with the spirit of the "advanced user" comment. However, I would venture to extend this to all such programs.

    Backups or not, these beasts can make mistakes, often as a result of the way in which other programs set themselves up. For instance, I have (at least) two programs that made registry entries referring to their errorlog files. Since I never make errors <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> these files don't exist on HD and registry clean/ repair programs (of all sorts) will pick up on these supposedly erroneous registry entries. If I choose to delete them, the parent programs refuse to run and ask for a reinstall... too bad if I haven't done a backup. <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15>

    Still, I'll be watching RegSeeker with interest. And there are still plenty of copies of the last freeware jv16 floating around on the web. It seems that the EULA permits such distribution.

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    Re: jv16

    I had suggested a (very!) minor improvement to JV16 1.4 RC2, but nobody seems to be offering ME a free copy of the new version! <img src=/S/sad.gif border=0 alt=sad width=15 height=15>

    There were still bugs in v1,4 RC2, as in the last version of 1.3, which meant that when you highlighted a set of entries for removal, it sometimes just sat there and did nothing. Also an amusing one where the countdown timer went negative, both in minutes and seconds, and quite happily counted down - literally!

    I don't see anything particularly devious about suggesting an uninstall before the installation of a new version of software. It's not possible to take account of all situations, and starting each time from a clean slate must make it easier to get a working version. Of course, everyone Saves their downloads, rather than Opening them, don't they? Like they always do backups? <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>

    I share Elaine's views in part that the people who had assisted him had been duped into thinking that it would continue as Freeware, and I also think that if he IS going to charge for it, then $10 rather than $30 might be a bit closer to its worth. After all, how often do you need to use a Registry Cleaner (and the other useful but occasional tools that JV16 contains) compared with, say, antivirus?
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    Re: jv16

    It pains me to know that my registry is filled with junk that is either obsolete, unneeded and/or unuseful. I know that clutter in the registry must have some impact on system performance, even if minimal.

    The only "registry cleaner" I have used on my system is Norton SystemWorks | Optimizer. I usually just delete what it says to without giving it much thought... But still, I can open my registry and see gobs of entries that pertain to software, shareware, etc that no longer exists on my system. So I know that Norton's product is not doing such a thorough job. And Norton is far from free which is closer to it's worth considering that it doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

    Most shareware and freeware sites have dozens of tweakers and regcleaners available for download but I've steered clear of these as I have NO desire to reinstall all my stuff after some ver 4 beta program [that is updated and patched three times a day] prevents my computer from booting!

    Why would a "regcleaner" be built that includes a caution that it should be used by Advanced Users Only? It seems to me that an "Advanced" user could just do a regedit and remove the junk without the assistance of a mediocre program!

    <font color=blue>Here's a regcleaner program for you: delete c:*.* Disclaimer: This should only be used by advanced users. You agree to use this program at your own risk...
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    Now that I'm through ranting, does anyone know of a really good registry cleaner? One that can really eliminate all the lines in the registry that pertain to programs that are not on my PC? If this seeming simple task coul;d be done, I'd bet the size of my registry would be cut 25 -35% !!
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    Re: jv16

    The best registry cleaner? That would be FORMAT C: followed by a reinstall. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    I believe it's better to err on the side of caution when it comes to the registry, and many "cleaner" utilities will do the same rather than leave the user with an unbootable system. Not that this answers the question you asked but it's really the best way, IMHO.
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    Re: jv16

    I can certainly understand the cautious approach, especially from a commercial product such as Norton. But still, the product should be good enough to notice that a program does not exist on a PC and be able to eliminate the registry entries associated with it. It should do that if it doesn't do anything else!

    Of course, if all applications would delete its own reg entries during it's uninstall routine...

    I've seen some shareware uninstallers that did nothing more than delete the icons from the Start Menu. Didn't even delete the folders and files it created. And because of that, I no longer use a programs uninstall device; I always use Windows|Control Panel|Add/Remove...

    So which, if any, registry optimizer do you prefer?
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    Re: jv16

    I just let Norton Systemworks' Windoctor do its thing and clean up what it can. If I didn't have that tool, I'd probably just leave it alone, frankly, because I can't tell the difference even after NSW runs its cleanup. I've never seen a registry cleaner do a whole lot, performance-wise.

    It's also worth noting that some programs store their settings in the registry in non-conformist ways. Exact Audio Copy is a good example; it retains its settings in the registry but you don't need to run an installer. Thus, Windows doesn't truly "know" that it's installed. There are many others that work along similar lines. In a perfect world, that wouldn't be the case, but I bet you already know that it's not perfect out there!
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    Re: jv16

    <hr>I no longer use a programs uninstall device; I always use Windows|Control Panel|Add/Remove...<hr>
    I always thought they operated the same. The "unwise.exe" or whatever they name it, invokes the Windows uninstaller from Add/Remove.

    I recall Cowboy raving about an uninstall utility that he's used. The post couldn't be more than 2 weeks old, but I can't look right now.

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    Re: jv16

    Me, too. Although I prefer IScrewedUp.exe, BadChoice.exe, FoolishMe.exe, or even Whoops.exe. <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

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    Phil

    I always thought that UNWISE.EXE was very well named <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Tagline: "Am I wise, or otherwise?"
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    Re: jv16

    EasyCleaner is quite good.

    However, I would never automatically allow deletions.
    I analyze the suggestions and decide what to delete.

    But it's a hopeless cause.

    Just last weeek, I decided to sdee if I could get the Win 98 registry clen.
    Easy Cleaner detected a whole bunch of things, of which, I deleted or corrected all but 1.

    A few daze later, I checked again, and about 188 items were listed.
    This is interesting because I rarely even boot o Win 98.
    So lots of stuff gets dirtied, in some cases, it appears, on its own.

    There is also lots of crap retained in the registry, both in Win 98 and Win 2000, for no reason I can fathom.
    It's just not worth the time trying to clean up, except when there are broken links due to something I can figure out.

    I've also used Windoctor in Norton Utilities, run from the CD-ROM, but Easy Cleaner seems the better of the two.

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    Re: jv16

    A lot of programs leaves "tracks" behind to tel lwhether they have been previously installed.
    Makes it more difficult to re-install shareware.

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    Uninstalling is a very non-standard process, as is installing.
    No one magic uninstaller can catch all orphans.

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