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    Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    This is probably a question for Bruce (if he's still talking to me!), who knows about these things.

    Is there is any significant difference between Windows Messenger, and found in Windows XP SP1, and MSN Messenger v6? I'm mainly looking at webcam use (for the moment). Logitech (originally) recommended I try MSN Messenger to see if I could improve my webcam resolution from 320 x 240, but I've got as much messenger-type software on my machine as I want!

    One thing I did notice was that NetMeeting seems to assume that your sound card has both speakers and microphone plugged into it, from the point of view of option setup, but quite happily uses the microphone built into the webcam.

    And can anyone confirm or deny (with evidence!) the statement that "the maximum resolution possible on a webcam is 320 x 240"?

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    >>> And can anyone confirm or deny (with evidence!) the statement that "the maximum resolution possible on a webcam is 320 x 240"?

    Difficult to prove a negative, but this Creative Webcam Pro is specified at 160 x 120; 176 x 144; 320 x 240; 352 x 288; 640 x 480.

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by WyllyWylly on 21-Jul-03 09:00. )</P>I believe it's largely dependent upon the camera itself, and the CCD device that powers it. It may also be dependent upon the driver. My Logitech cam hits 640x480 with WebCam32, and it's an older model, so a blanket statement certainly doesn't cover my cam!

    As far as the differences between Messenger platforms, MSN Messenger 6 is a hotly anticipated release with a number of "new" features (I used quotes because some of them are just things that should have been there all along, and were borrowed from other clients). I've not used it but it's supposed to be much better.
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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Leif/Mark

    The Logitech device also indicates large resolutions but only for "video mode", not for actual webcamming. I suspect there's a lot of "weasel specifications" being put out here, and it would be nice if someone with a different webcam could say what resolution they actually get. Of course, at the same frame refresh rate you'd need 4 times the bandwidth at 640 x 480 than you did at 320 x 240 (mathematical genius, me!!). It seemed from a test I did on our WAN this morning with NetMeeting that me using 320 x 240 at my end and "him" using 160 x 120 at "his" end (all that his grotty webcam could support!) we were using about 7% of the 10 Mbps link speed, or so XP Pro made out.

    I wasn't sure whether you were saying that MSN 6 is even more wonderful than Windows Messenger 4.7.0041 (say). Do you know of a features comparison anywhere?

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    John, If you go to the MSN messenger site http://messenger.msn.com/ you can do a manual comparison. Don't know of a side-by-side. Seems I've read that some 'stuff' (don't you love those techinical terms <img src=/S/clever.gif border=0 alt=clever width=15 height=15>). is going to be removed from Windows Messenger as MS seems to be directing it at the workplace. You know that MS always knows what's best for everyone in all situations, right? <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    SMBP: Thanks for those references, which I remember but did not note at the time (never thinking I'd need to use them!). Doesn't Bruce know an awful lot about the subject [smarm, smarm!]? I have printed all the stuff off and will read it.

    Joe: agreed, Microsoft always 'knows best'. We have a Labour Government (at the time of writing) which also knows best... I'm a bit sad that Bruce [more smarm...] hasn't extended his many postings on the subject (such as "Windows Messenger vs. MSN Messenger (4.7 vs 5.)") to relate to MSN Messenger 6, and would humbly ask him if he would like to do the features comparison I crave...?
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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Hi, John ~
    <hr>(if he's still talking to me!) <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20> <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20><hr>
    Other than the fact that only 'Windows Messenger' can connect to the 'Communications Service' and 'Exchange Instant Messaging', which are only used in corporations, the 'browsing the web together feature' and a few insignificant details, the difference is merely aesthetic with 'Windows Messenger' being tightly integrated into the XP OS.

    For a side by side comparison of features, tile the MSN Messenger feature page juxtaposed with the Windows Messenger feature page. Microsoft refers to them as client 1 & client 0 respectively.

    (Edit: It appears MS has replaced the two versions with the one and the same new Messenger 6.0 at the above links. There is virtually no difference between Windows Messenger in XP and MSN Messenger, but have not had the chance to examine the new Messenger 6.0.)

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Hi, John ~

    Sorry if I posted what you already read - I hadn't refreshed since you posted.
    <hr>...would like to do the features comparison...<hr>
    Actually, I would and intend to, but haven't found the need to upgrade other than for the sake of simply upgrading just yet and currently will not be able to do so in a suitable timeframe.

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Thanks, Bruce - our parent has blocked the MSN Messenger website, and I have had to access it by other mechanisms.

    It does seem that MSN Messenger is much more "home orientated" than is Windows Messenger, so I wonder whether both will continue to co-exist. There's a lot of talk that Internet Explorer will disappear into the native operating system, presumable to be replaced by one or both of the Messengers.
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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Hi, John ~

    Well, I had some work I needed to avoid, <IMG SRC=http://www.krymow.com/images/pushbroom.gif> so I removed both my Windows Messenger & MSN Messenger and d/l + installed Messenger 6.0.

    My cursory preview of it left me mildly impressed in the apparent improvements and clean-up. It surely appears to be both previous versions combined and then some, including the remote assistance, browsing the web together (which was available only on one), mobile settings, and the A/V Tuning wizard in addition to others.

    I think they will no longer have two versions. I just installed another new computer for a lady friend of mine and it came with Messenger 6.0 rather than the Windows Messenger versions of previous XP installs.

    One note of particular interest to you may be the specific web cam enhanced support and settings integrated into the app. Let me know when you are up and running on iFriends... <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15><IMG SRC=http://www.krymow.com/images/laugh3.gif>

    One last item of interest, here is a little trick I use to reduce the annoying ad rotation and bandwidth theft on the bottom of the window:<UL><LI>Navigate to 'Cocuments and SettingsJohn GrayLocal SettingsTemplinks.txt'<LI>Open 'links.txt' in Notepad<LI>Erase all the XML links or whatever and save the file<LI>Right-click 'links.txt' > 'Properties'<LI>Check 'Read-only' so Messenger will be unable to write new links to the file<LI>'Apply' > 'OK'[/list]Close and reopen Messenger from systray and now there will be one basic MSN logo instead of rotating logos.

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Bruce

    Thanks for your efforts here! My webcam has now "gone home" so I'll have to download MSN 6 onto the home XP Pro box tonight. And look up iFriends (is that a video version of the noble British "Friends Reunited" website?!).

    I must say I'm a bit surprised that you talk about a file LINKS.TXT apparently permanently sitting in the TEMP directory -- I would have expected it to be somewhere in Program Files? What happens if you have a regular routine of clearing out your (user) TEMP directory?
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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Hi, John ~

    The 'links.txt' file is only as permanent, like you said, as the frequnecy with which you clean up and even then it will be overwritten by Messenger next time you get on. I maintain a regular cleaning, but I simply follow what I outlined above with each use as it takes mere seconds and is just as fast as any other method except excluding it from any given clean routine.

    'Friends Reunited' surely! But not the way you might perhaps imagine. iFriends purports not to allow any lascivious activity, but it is nothing more than. <IMG SRC=http://www.krymow.com/images/noevil.gif>

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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Bruce

    I've just downloaded/installed MSN 6 and tried the webcam, and it seems like it gives better resolution (though I can't find any numbers for this). But doesn't it bring with it a load of other <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0> stuff that I don't think I want!! All I need to do now is to find someone to put in my Contacts...
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    Re: Windows Messenger = MSN Messenger? (XP SP1)

    Hi, John ~

    If you haven't already, check out 'Tools' > 'A/V Tunig Wizard' and 'Web cam settings'. Also, check your PM.

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