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    Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    How do I get rid of plug ins? I have an imager view I received from a genealogical site to read its images of documents. It crashes after one or two uses and I have to reboot. It doesn't do this on my other two computers. All three computers are running Windows 2000. I suspect I got a bad download but I can't reload it without getting rid of the old one because the web site seems to check for the plug in and only downloads it if it isn't already running. The support on that website is non-existent so I'm on my own.
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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Bruce--

    3 quick things to do. As I understand you want to boot the image viewer that you got because it's causing instability/crash--(so you need to find it's file or folder--or hit it at its entry into the registry). Can you use any term that may associate it with the genealogical site to 1) find it listed on Add/Remove or if not 2) Add/Remove Pro has a better search mechanism than Add/Remove's "List By..." feature and it lists corresponding registry keys of all the entries, and 3) last you could find it in the registry and delete it.

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    What about reinstalling the plug-in to refresh what might be a corrupt file?

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Hi Bruce:
    I don't know if the entire file is located there, but in Win 98SE, there is a folder

    C:Program FilesInternet ExplorerPLUGINS

    Inside that folder are a number of dlls. In addition, there is a file called Install.log. I've never tried to fully understand it, but it does give file names, dates, & registry keys. Maybe this will be of some help.

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Hi Tim:
    Don't want to hijack the thread here, but SMBP & you have both mentioned utilities that I'm not familiar with. Perhaps you guys can mention your experience with them briefly in the Software forum.
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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Phil--

    Please see my other post directed at everyone, I'm hoping to get some questions answered, and I wanted to say in addition when I showed all hidden files, I saw 2 dlls but didn't see an install.log in C:Program FilesInternet ExplorerPLUGINS. I hadn't named any 3rd party apps though before you posted.

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by jscher2000 on 26-Jul-03 23:53. Found the folder I was thinking of...)</P>Once someone mentioned the hidden dialog that shows you where the browser plug-ins are stashed. I can't remember, and obviously it isn't under "plug-in" in the online help (attachment purely for laughs). What's the name of the site? Maybe if one of us visits it we can figure out the program you need to locate and remove.

    Update: The folder I was thinking of is C:WindowsDownloaded Program Files. It has an unusual right-click menu that lets you remove browser plug-ins more or less directly (or so it would seem; I didn't test the remove). On Windows 2000, the folder probably would be c:winntdownloaded program files.
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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Jefferson--

    I wanted to get you to look at this thread again and Post 278465. Those 2 dlls in the plug-in folder (I understand now plug-ins can probably be distributed in many places, including folders for a particular app) are for Belarc and Adobe--and the Adobe dll is probably from an earlier installation of Reader that didn't uninstall completely, because I usually install all apps to "E" unlless this plug-in came with the current Adobe and insisted on finding it's way to "C"--I know some files will install to "C" no matter where you point them.

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    You could try Browser Extension Manager and see if it can dump your problem plug-in. It's a bit of a "last resort" type tool, but may help. Use F1 at any screen / dialog to see the relevant help info. (See <post#=278482>post 278482</post#> for a little more info on BEM.)
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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    And for the (almost) hidden dialog, that takes you to that folder, you select Tools | Internet Options... | (Temporary Internet Files) Settings... | View Objects... ! <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>
    I guess plug-ins could be kinda temporary since you can remove them, if only you knew where to look. <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    For what it is worth, we are using the term "plug-in" incorrectly -- as many of you know. The term "plug-in" is usually reserved for Netscape-type browser plug-in programs. Internet Explorer stopped using those several updates ago. Instead, the "Downloaded Programs" folder holds "ActiveX Controls". Grant it, they do some of the same things that "plug-ins" used to, but they are not the same thing....

    Phil, I certainly believe that at this point in time, the "Plug-in" folder is vestigial and unnecessary. If you have updated IE once in the past year or two, likely it will not be using any of those DLL's...

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    R2 and Tim and anyone else who will chime in and address where to find these "things"--java, active x, modern day Plug-ins--

    Back to the original questions Bruce had in the thread and the ones raised:

    1) Bruce had an offending plug-in. Where does he go to find it and boot it? We know that plug-ins exist in a C:ProgramsInternet ExplorerPLUGIN folder. But I only have two from Belarc and from Adobe Reader. So.. here's what I suspect and I'm asking.

    Originally the term plug-in was meant to mean Netscape type plug-ins but terminology got loose and was expanded as slang. Now when sites talk about new plug-ins, they are really the vast majority but not always talking of Active X controls or Java applets or other Java formats or other formats but they call them "plug-ins" because tradition dies hard. I'm not stating this--I'm gleaning it and asking about it.

    2) You can look in the Plug-In folder Phil pointed out--but only two of mine are there. Let's take a look at the objects folder--some of these may be the modern day counterpart to the vestigial plug-ins that we were applying an anachronistic term to. And if I go to a folder for a large application that advertises using plug-ins I can find Active X controls or Java Applets or other modern counterparts of plug-ins there. Tim raises a 3rd party utility that could go after them, I brought up one that might or might not--on googling you find a lot of Babex and other company type apps that might go after them--is there in fact a way for Bruce to ferret out a plug-in.?

    3) I want to bring up 2 things Tim said because I think they are cental to the problem in the thread and of finding these guys if they misbehave. Tim used the words "last resort" when he suggested Nuetool's Browser Extension Manager with that caveat, and then in his second post said --"I guess plug-ins could be kinda temporary since you can remove them, if only you knew where to look." And those two points seems to be key. 1) Is Tim concerned he will take out objects that are both helpers and harmful--needed objects that also freeze/crash? 2) They are hard to find; they don't follow a road map or any convention as to where they will live so that you can hunt them out if they misbehave and cause problems for you like crashes or freezes, which have been attributed in to BHO's in discussion of them, if these modern day Java Applets and Active X controls can be classified as BHO's. Again, Spybot and Ad-Aware like programs search for BHO's behaving as malware--not to discount that they serve a vital purpose of making browsing varied colorful and interesting and much is written on them by MSDN and many other places.

    4) Do you often have a mixed-bag situation. You need the BHO or the modern day plug-in--I know I may be making a mistake in saying that all of these fall under that category, but you need say the Active X or Java applet but it also has its downsides as well?

    5) Is there any concensus as to how someone like Bruce looks for an offending whatever you want to call it--and are these modern day Active X and Java Applets BHO's but not all BHO's are Active X and Java Applets and whatever other type entity performs moder plug-in duties?

    Thanks,

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Phil, Jefferson, Tim--

    You're hardly hijacking anything Phil--it's helping me push toward understanding this. But I'm hoping to get a little direction or to be blunt straightened out so that if I don't say this correctly chime in. I get the idea that plug-ins can be hidden in a number of folders, or places. It would seem like that one you named is a logical target for finding them; folder that you brought up does exist in XP so it's stayed in every OS, but when I showed all hidden files, I couldn't find a number of plug-ins that I know have been installed for different programs--only the two shown below. What I'm trying to find out from everyone here is that although the folder you mention is in XP and every flavor of Windows, it seems that plug-ins end up in a lot of destinations besides it. Perhaps in one of the many folders that often accompany a download.

    I tried to find a place to figure where plug-ins would end up; I know they have been replaced a good deal with Java Applets and Active X controls. When Jefferson made his post, I got the idea that it was pretty simplistic of me to think plug-ins would all assemble neatly in Add-Remove or that there might even be one or a couple keys/subkeys/hives in the registry to correspond.

    I started looking for apps that might extract plug-ins, and I found some that suggested they might but I wasn't sure. I saw Tim mentioned one, and I found a BaxBex app (and I know Tim has suggested some of their apps more than once) called FolderBox--I don't know if this would help or not. I suspect Tim picked out the most effective one of their apps. So what I'm asking is (and they might not be great questions if I knew more about plug-in distribution).

    1) If this particular plug-in were crashing because of corruption or distortion, could reinstalling it refresh a file that might correct this? Could a BHO that sometimes cause a freeze have started out functioning well and then start causing a freeze because it becomes corrupted, i.e. evolve into a malware form of the same benign BHO that Spybot and Adaware search out and nuke?

    2) Could system file checker theoretically correct the file as well.

    3) Is there any pattern to where a plug-in might install; because of their large size could you ID most plug-ins in the application folder with all it's files?

    4) What is in fact the purpose of the folder fill brought up that doesn't have but 2 dlls in it on my system which has to have many plug-ins scattered in folders for the different programs or in even more far flung places than that?

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Here are some of my answers:

    1) I will argue that no one should use the term "plug-in" when refering to modern-day IE -- for no other reason than to avoid confusion. "Active Content" is made up of ActiveX controls, Java applets, and active script (usually Javascript).

    There still appears to be a "Plugin" ActiveX object defined and registered on this computer (HKCRCLSID{06DD38D3-D187-11CF-A80D-00C04FD74AD8} = Microsoft ActiveX Plugin = "Plugin.ocx" -- but what exactly it does at this time is not clear to me! Maybe it was used for backward compatibility. Don't know....

    2) The "plug-ins" in the PlugIn folder have generally been replaced by ActiveX controls. Acrobat Reader now has an ActiveX control that IE uses to display .pdf files (Acrobat Control for ActiveX = pdf.ocx) -- it does not, and cannot, use the old PlugIn programs. I believe that was done under the guise of "security", but suspect it was all part of the 'killing' of Netscape.

    3) BHO's are not the same as ActiveX or Active Content in general. BHO's are "browser extensions" that add functionality to the browser object itself. Active Content is used by the browser to do something on your computer.

    4) You can find most downloaded ActiveX programs under Tools | Internet Options | TIF | Settings | View Objects. You will note, this takes you to the folder Jefferson mentions above.

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    Re: Plug ins (6.0.2800.1106 SP1)

    Thanks, R2. I actually remembered the Downloaded Program Files folder when I checked by going to Tools/Internet Options/General tab/Settings/View Objects... & saw everything that had been installed.

    I do notice that you can go to that folder, right click & choose Remove. I guess that would remove it, but unless you've kept track & actually downloaded all the controls & updates, I'm not sure that you could put it back easily.

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