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    Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    Previous versions of Windows had 'The quick brown fox...' as the sample string in the fontviewer. Windows XP appears to offer a choice between that and 'Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz'. Both strings can be seen in fontview.exe.
    So, the big question - what triggers the choice? Most of my fonts appear with the fox, but the jackdaws appear in a few.

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    Re: Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    Polish site you mention just states that the string is in fontview.exe and you can see it using, for example, Resource Hacker. Author changed it for a string with polish characters.

    Russian site is a handbook about font design and contains "pangrams" (sentences with all characters) also in English, German, French, Dutch and Spanish
    (http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo2/sections/33/ and scroll down).

    BTW, my Fonts folder gives me almost exclusively Foxes, except... Symbol !

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    Re: Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    Excellent question, Tim! Looking at FONTVIEW.EXE with Vernon Buerg's LIST.EXE shows both strings present, in Unicode, as you said.

    By clicking on each font in turn in Windows Explorer, I was nearly going to say that there was no font which gave the Jackdaw, only the Fox -- until I came upon Times New Roman, which gave the Jackdaw. Then I sorted the directory and now TNR gives the Fox!

    It seems that overwhelmingly the Fox is given, but rarely, and inconsistently, the Jackdaw. Perhaps PCW can set up a properly-funded Research Study into the matter? <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    As always, I can find nothing in Technet on this matter...

    A Google search on "jackdaws love my" AND "fontview" only gives something in Polish! Oh, and something apparently irrelevant in Russian.
    I suspect you have been there before me...?

    LATER...

    A search in Google Groups seems to indicate that the Jackdaws are also present in the Windows 2000 FONTVIEW.EXE, but they aren't in my Windows 98 SE version, regardless of what some person says.
    <font face="Script MT Bold"><font color=blue><big><big>John</big></big></font color=blue></font face=script>

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    Re: Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    Tim

    A search at work shows that FONTVIEW.EXE in NT4 (SP6a), W2K (SP4) and WXP (SP1) all contain the Unicode string "Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz".

    I think I have found an answer, but not an absolute one:
    a) The "Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz" sentence is consistently produced by all .FON files (except VGASYS.FON in NT4) AND all Symbol TTF font files (where the sentence usually has to be inferred by the position of blanks)
    [img]/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif[/img] The "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" sentence is almost always produced by TTF font files EXCEPT Symbol fonts
    c) Extremely rarely, and inconsistently, a non-Symbol TTF font files gives the Jackdaw sentence

    If you don't mind littering your screen with hundreds of windows, on which you have to click on Done or the top-right X, you can run
    <font color=blue>for %a in (%systemroot%fonts*.fon) do fontview %a</font color=blue> (and the same for <font color=blue>*.ttf</font color=blue>)
    Alternatively, if you own a forest, insert <font color=blue>/p</font color=blue> after <font color=blue>fontview</font color=blue> to print them all!
    <font face="Script MT Bold"><font color=blue><big><big>John</big></big></font color=blue></font face=script>

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    Re: Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    I thought it might be a Unicode thing, but copying some old windowes 3.1 ttfs showed the Fox.
    It seems to be based on the character set. Pi fonts, such as Symbol and Wingdings seem to be using Jackdaws, as do all the WordPerfect non-standard fonts.
    Also some rather shoddy fonts that came with Pinnacle Studio , I think, that don't have the full ANSI complement. Then again other fonts with blanks in some of the slots, DO show the Fox. The plot thickens. I'll need to pack my box with five dozen liquior jugs and investigate further - it seems to be a character set thing.

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    Re: Black sphinx and brown fox (XP Pro)

    Looks as if we could do with a contact in Microsoft Typography!
    <font face="Script MT Bold"><font color=blue><big><big>John</big></big></font color=blue></font face=script>

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