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    Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    My Icons on the desktop with XPP as the OS align as if the
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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    hlewton,

    What IS happening and what are you trying to accomplish?

    I assume you have right clicked on the desktop and looked at "arrange icons by" options?

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    Greetings Mr. Lewton--

    To add to Bob's sentence before this has to get more complicated--right click the desktop>Arrange Icons by>Count seven items down on the slide-out menu and check align to grid. If that doesn't do it, I know where I can find regedits and scripts that will restore the grid if something is corrupted--does that mean something or someone tempted the dll to be bad?

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    Bob,

    I assume you have right clicked on the desktop and looked at "arrange icons by" options?

    Yes I have and nothing is checked which should allow me to move the icons anywhere and any increment I want. I can move them anywhere but when I want to move them slightly to align them one way or another (sides or tops) they will not move that slight bit. They seem to be aligning to some unseen grid.

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    SMBP,

    Thanks but I don
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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    <hr>...Actually none of the options on the Right click menu are checked... <hr>
    I suppose you meant to say that only Show Desktop Icons is checked..... <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> I don't have an answer but I would try turning ON the align to grid, let it do its thing and then turn it OFF again. I tried moving icons on my screen by little teeny bits and it seems to work OK for me, so I don't know. Do you have any other "tweaking" software installed that could be hampering things?

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    Trying to see what you want to do:

    Your first post said "allign to grid was active but it's not...how can it be corrected?" So we tried to get it active. Now you say you don't want to allign to grid because they were marching to their own drummer, or alligning to an unseen grid.

    So what you meant to say on your first post is: "My icons are arranging to an imaginary grid doing their own thing; I don't like it, and I want to put them where I want them--how do I do that?"

    The suggestion here is to be able to do that, but I'm not sure if it works. Give it a try and post back.

    Arrange Your Icons & Taskbar: Put Icons Where You Want

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    Hi Big Al,

    You caught me about the Show Desktop Icons. You're right. However, I did do the grid align thing before I posted. I thought by turning it an, aligning, and then turning it off it might work but no such luck.

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    SMBP,

    OK, I
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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    I read that and I don't see how it can work, but the gentleman has other good tips, so I put it up.
    I know this though, there has to be a way to do this--we both know there's a regedit probably or fiddling with desktop.ini so if it doesn't when you get the chance, let me know and I'll look until we find one. I have been hitting XP tweak sites, and google but so far haven't found anything else that lets you freelance the position--which is odd--you'd think with the choices on the right click context menu, they'd add a freelance.

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    Big Al,

    I'm sorry, I didn't answer your question. No I don't have any other tweaking software installed.

    Thanks.
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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    SMBP,

    I have searched KBs but I have never been great at using the words that searches are looking for. Actually there probably is an answer somewhere but being so poor at searches plagues me.

    In any case I have come up empty and had hoped someone else had already solved this problem. Believe me it
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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    OK Mr. Lewton Here we go--the length of this post is simply so I could quote Woody's tips on your very subject:

    If these tips don't work, then I think and I'll have to look into where--some major folder that controls desktop icon behavior has a corrupt .dll or two or three. And one thing I'd do if these tips don't work, is to run System File Checker--I know you have XP--so don't hesitate to run it. It's just for the purpose of replacing corrupt files. It just might work and has no downside except 25 minutes of your computer time is occupied.

    In a plug for his new book which is excellent--because he has new material not covered in other XP Tweak Books and Sites; he goes into considerable detail on each topic, and he has an illustration, screenshot or diagram for every paragraph which helps considerably:Windows's XP Timesaving Techniques for Dummies--with Table of Contents there is a Woody guy--Leonhard I think he spells it and I pulled this from his new book by going to "Desktop--Aligning Icons" in this list called an index at the back--it ain't no google but remember back in the day when their were model T's and um books.

    First, p. 120 Woody says:

    [i]"After the icons are alligned, I always uncheck Align to Grid because it allows me to put related icons next to each other without worrying whether Windows will jump in and rearrange everything. When my icons get so jumbled I can't work with any more, I allign them to the grid again. But in the interim, I want control over where they sit.

    You can selet groups of icons (by using Ctrl+click or Shift+click or "lassoing" groups of them) and drag them all together. They'll stay alligned after the move.

    And here's another key for you Mr. Lewton from Woody:

    Although the procedure is quite time-consuming, if you're dead set on changing the size of the grid that Windows uses to allign icons, you can do so by right-clicking an empty part of the desktop and choosing Properties>Appearance>Advanced. Then modify the Icon Spacing (horizontal) and (vertical) settings.

    Avoid the temptation to use any of the other Arrange Icons by Settings. Name, size, type, and modified reorder your icons in often inscrutable ways. Leaving Auto Arranged checked forces Windows to back into line--and after y ou jumble your icons using one of those settings , undoing the change is impossible." [Ed. Note--I have found Woody's last sentence not to apply on my machines, because I have been able to change after trying those settings.[i]

    Moving Icons So You Have More Room on the Desktop from Woody's Book pp. 120-121:

    Force icons to uper-left corner of screen:

    Rt. click empty desktop>Click settings>Reduce screen resolution>Click Apply. Click yes on keeping resolution. This can be returned to original same way.

    To free up entire right edge of screen pushing icons aside: Rt. click taskbar>Properties>Unck. Lock Taskbar and Autohide Taskbar>OK>Drag unused taskbar to right icons will move out of way>rt. click taskbar>Properties>Ck. Autohide Taskbar>Leave Lock Taskbar unchecked>click taskbar and drag back to where it originated>rt. click taskbar>click Properties>ck. Lock Taskbar.

    hth,

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    hlewton,

    Like Big Al, i tried to move my desktop icons a bit here and there and could do so fine, as long as align to grid was unchecked. It seems to me I ran across a spot somewhere, where you could adjust these grid SIZES, maybe that could give you a little more leeway in moving them.
    I'll have to scout around to see if can find that setting.

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    Re: Daektop (XP Pro - SP1)

    The Registry Key and Values Where You Can Modify Icon Placement

    Because of the mysterious way the XP developers named the registry values, I don't know which value to modify nor what number to put in. Anyone who is willing to experiment with this or knows please step right up and show us.

    The registry key which modifies icons on the desktop is here:

    HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelDesktop

    For example you can control icon size easily, besides doing it with screen resolution, here you can pick your own size at the value "Window Metrics." The default is 32 and you can create a new value called Shell Icon Size and experiment with size. Smaller values down from 32 yield smaller sizes. That's easy enough. But looking at all the values associated with that key I see suggestive but poorly defined mystery values like

    Cool Switch
    CoolSwitchColumns
    CoolSwitchRows
    User Preferences Mask

    Grid Granularity
    Paint Desktop Version

    There are 40 values to this subkey. Many are obvious, but at least half if not 2/3 arent. My money is on the top four guys, and that's why I segregated them at the top of the list. You can find out--just export the key first so you can restore the registry to it's original pristine state.

    Why they don't name these values so anyone can know what they do is just nuts. A couple thousand KB's encourage going to the registry to solve problems because that's the only way some of them can be solved. There is need for a registry glossary within the operating system and it's just blatant.

    You're a skier--maybe if you ski Blackcomb and drink with the XP and Longhorn Technical team's developers who made the registry they'll let you in on the secret. Somewhere deep in the Redmond Campus, like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, there are desktops where select guys have definitions for all these registry values and unfortunately, very I believe, Microsoft has chosen not to share them with us. Obviously they want to discourage going to the registry but many of us feel we can responsibly back it up and should be encouraged to with the right information.

    Good luck,

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