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    Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    I visited a commercial printer this afternoon (as you do). He runs his business via Apple Mac G4s running Quark Express. I wanted to give him a Word 2002 (say) document, and get him "to do the business" to produce large numbers of printed pages in colour (matching the original Windows Word document).

    Unfortunately he says that he can't convert Word documents to Quark, and had to "flow in the text" into his Quark file, and rebuild the document headings and other layout data. JPEGs came across OK. Lots of editing involved, font substitution, and so on. [My question about RGB => Pantone appears in the Scuttlebutt forum!]

    So, the nub of my question is:
    is anyone aware of a Word=>Quark converter that really works? And, as always, the cheaper the better. It would be v. good if it could run on a Windows box to produce a file whose content and layout would be acceptable to Quark Express on the Mac, with as little post-transfer editing as possible. The phrase "exact match" would be relevant. And yes, I did ask about RTF. No.

    Thanks!

    PS, for Bowlie's benefit -- the printing person doesn't think that the niche usage of Apple Macs for graphic design will go away, not until he's retired. However, he is fairly old...!! <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    There is no Word to Quark converter that I know of. IMHO you could not expect to ever find one. The complexities of how Word lays out a document is too tricky for even Word to get right (eg pagination for different printers).

    Word is unable to produce colour separations, trapping and choking etc and is therefore unsuitable for offset printing artwork. Without altogether too much work it can't even do crop marks and impositions.

    The best option I can see for large print runs of documents layed out in Word is to use a printer with a high speed digital printer where the RIP handles the colour issues on the fly. The output from a digital press is not as good as that from a traditional 4+ colour offset printer but is generally adequate for people who layout the document in Word (read non-professionals).

    If you do require the economies of scale and print quality that you get from offset printing and you have prepared your final artwork file in Word then your only remaining option is to save the file to Adobe Acrobat and then hand that over to the printer. The printer should have software which can produce colour separations and impositions and the other control features required to get the plates produced for the offset printer. This software is available and if your printer doesn't come to the party and use tools such as these, ring around and try other printers. Eventually you will find someone who regularly works with these tools and is more than happy to do business with you.
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    Andrew

    Thanks for your sensible comments!

    As always, we do things in the particular program we're comfortable with and have experience of. How many times have I seen an Excel spreadsheet which should really have been a Word table (and vice versa)!

    So we're really stuck with Word, I think, and all its limitations. The point you made about using Adobe Acrobat PDF format was one which hadn't occurred to me -- following queries in a post several months back I now have PDF995 and Jaws PDF Creator, but I haven't looked into whether/how well they do colour separations. The alternative is for us to buy a faster colour printer, which probably can't be an inkjet - we get no more than 2 ppm out of our 990 Cxi, and that is heavily data-dependent. We'd probably need something like a HP Colour Laserjet (infuriating that you have to go to the 4600dn (US list price $2500!!) before you can get one that does duplex)! That's getting to be serious money for home usage! As you say, the translation from RGB to CMYK is done for you "on the fly" without any worry...!
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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    John

    The PDF viewers probably won't produce colour separations for you - I don't think Acrobat Reader can do it.

    I expect that separations can be made from PDF files though if you have some of the high end $$$ software that print shops use to produce impositions. I wouldn't recommend you bought any of that though. Why do you want to produce colour separations from a home machine?

    You can get a colour printer that Xerox/Tectronix build which is fast (once warmed up), relatively cheap and very economical to run. The print technology uses wax blocks that get melted onto the page which gives great glossy prints at good resolution. The primary drawback is the output is not especially robust - if the pages are folded or rubbed hard then chips of the colour fall off. This printer was called the Phaser 8200DP in Australia but I don't know whether it still goes by the same name in your neck of the woods. There is a computer magazine review here. For home printing I consider this to be a more realistic option than colour laser which is, as you say, a bit hard to justify in terms of price.
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    Andrew

    It's not PDF viewers I was talking about; both the programs I mentioned are cheaper versions of Adobe Acrobat (but not Acrobat Reader).

    We used to have one of those Tektronix (I think it was) Phaser laser printers, before they were bought out by Xerox. A fairly so-so printer, IMHO. That was in the days when HP colour laser printers were:
    a) rubbish
    [img]/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif[/img] breathtakingly overpriced
    Only the latter is true nowadays!

    I'd want to produce colour separations from a home machine so I could give them to a commercial printer to print Lots and Lots of Pages. Would that I could find a commercial printer that accepted a Word document "as is" and could print it fairly cheaply on a high-end, fast, HP Colour LaserJet (or equivalent), with fairly accurate colour reproduction.

    (I type this as my 990Cxi has been showing zero ink level in both the colour and the black cartridges -- for the last 60 sheets of A4 (so far). But that's another gripe...)
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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    Most commercial printers that I have dealt with, wanted a Word file with NO images, just anchors showing which image goes where and a copy of the images. They would in turn compose the Word file within their application and insert the images where needed. Then would print out the new document.

    These print houses are NOT of the "kinko" style.

    You will find what looks good on your monitor and 990Cxi printer will be different on any other monitor and/or printer. I have found that using the same printer across a network the colors are close. But from one machine to another with different graphic cards and even with same model of monitor the colors display differently. Along this same line the different inks and paper will change the appearance of the different colors.

    I do NOT think that "Color Separation" can be done from a Word file. The images within the Word file is NOT done by layers. Another type of color separation, called spot color separation, is used to separate colors that are not to be mixed. In this case, each spot color is represented by its own ink, which is specially mixed. Spot colors are effective for highlighting text but they cannot be used to reproduce full-color images.

    Hope this helps, as I think you are trying to get top quality publications from a non professional publication machine and software.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    John
    I find it hard to believe that you can't find a printer who wants your money. Ask a few places. Wander into a copy shop and quiz them.

    I agree with your assessment of the Tektronix printer. I didn't like them that much either and I don't like the colour reproduction from the HP colour laserjets. Lots of copy shops here in Oz have Canon CLC colour lasers and these give glossier prints with better colour reproduction and one of these printers does 40 pages per minute which is pretty quick in full colour. Of course I don't expect you to buy one of these but there must be places in your home town that has already bought one and need to feed it lots of acrobat files from people like yourself to pay for it. There are also digital presses which are web-fed (the paper is on a roll which is chopped up after printing)

    Printing which requires colour separations is only cost effective in print runs over 500 and you need to worry about things like registration and crop marks especially if two colours are immediately adjacent. If a printer is using colour separations to print, then they are probably making bromides (big photos) and then film (like X-Ray film) from your prints and you have to pay for this. Why not give them the Acrobat file and ask them to make the film from that directly. The result is going to be much better quality and less intermediate steps.
    Andrew Lockton, Chrysalis Design, Melbourne Australia

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    Re: Documents from Word to Quark Express on Macs (any)

    Dave/Andrew

    Yes, I think I may use part of Saturday to wander round "Colour Copy Shops" in the local (not very big) city, to see what can be done. (And at what price!)

    We won't get back from the commercial printer until tomorrow (Wed) the 4K sheets we were hoping for late last Friday afternoon...

    (BTW The colour cartridge eventually gave out around 250 sheets after it showed as being 0% full; the black one hasn't yet run out of ink. probably will when I restart the printing when i get home tonight...!).
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