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    Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    I just took Woody's advice and downloaded and installed all the critical updates and patches. Now my system is dragging. The hourglass spins endlessly on some tasks, takes forever to load some programs and won't get past the "Scanning Compressed Files" stage in Disk Cleanup. Does anyone know if the patches, updates and service packs compress and store the files that they fix or replace. I never had any problems prior to the installation of these patches and know not to intentionally set the system to compress old files for just this reason. Some form of "massive file activity" at 4 AM shutdown my GoBack program, thereby wiping out all restore opportunities. The subsiquent activity seems to be related to Symantec but i'm still sorting through the log. Is there some way to get at those compressed files and see what's going on ?? Are the updates removeable ?? Backups ??? Don't ask...... last complete was 6 weeks ago. I can of course backup all the data now and then reinstall the underlying stuff, but would rather just remove the updates I installed and see if that restores the functionality first.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Doc--

    I'm not sure about storing them, but they don't compress them as a default. I noticed the thread where you and Jefferson refrerenced two possible places where update files were sent. I sure agree with your comment on not intentionally compressing old files--there are a number of articles that support what you said there including some on Exec Soft's site. The updates are certainly removable from Add/Remove and if they ever don't show there from registry keys.

    I think and I know you know this, that the Hotfixes per se that you are fingering may not be the culprit, I'd do a quick AdAware, and Spybot run using current reference data bases. Almost all with an occasional exception (Direct X Patches being one) of Hotfixes show up at Add Remove. All show up in the registry and if you had to you could simply delete them from there. The only Hotfix I've seen lately that you can't uninstall from Add/Remove are the recent patches for Direct X that don't show up there, and as far as Update Win Media Player 9 Beta couldn't be uninstalled. Look in Add/Remove and if you need to:

    Hive: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
    Key: SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionHotfix

    This applies to NT, Win 2K, and Win XP.


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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Doc,

    As SMBP said, you can remove the hotfixes one by one from add/remove in the control panel. The ONLY one that was the BAD actor that slowed the system down to a crawl as you describe was Q811493. That was supposedly cured with a later hotfix, but you might want to check to see if that's still active (Q811493) and delete that first. All of the others have not had any bad effect, at least on my machine.

    BTW, It's a good idea to only install a few of the hotfixes at once, if you have a number of them to install. That way, if a problem arises, you could at least have a better idea which one did you in.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Bob--

    I'll search for this and try to nail it--I just wanted some help. But didn't they come back a couple months later and revise the notorious 811493 that generated so many articles and NG threads in May or June, so that it didn't have the slowing and freeze effects? And I would have thought, but maybe not that if they did, they would displace it with the newer improved model so people wouldn't get tripped up by installing the sometimes glitchy one.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    SMBP,

    Thanks for the response. I was looking into the files in the C:/Windows folder that appear to be, and they are indeed, the uninstall files for the new updates and patches, all numbered and in blue fonts. I also checked out the 21 .exe files I removed, and burned to a CD, before manually deleting all the trash from the Temporary Internet folder last night. The are almost certainly the executable files for the updates I downloaded Thursday (the numbers on some of them correspond to the update numbers). Most are self-extracting .cab files. I am glad to hear that the old files were not compressed by default, as I have read and heard some real nightmares about how loooooooong it can take to straighten out that problem.

    Thanks for the info on how to remove the Hotfixes. It's good to know and I shall store it for future reference. <img src=/S/thankyou.gif border=0 alt=thankyou width=40 height=15> I ran AdAware and Spybot and came up clean, so that's one less thing to concern myself with. Before I ran them the system seemed to perk-up some and was almost running normally again. Go figure !!! I'm still confused, but a bit less concerned that something is seriously wrong. I would have thought that if the updates were the cause that the problems would have begun almost immediately after they were installed anyway. I haven't disabled GoBack yet but it's only got information that goes back to 7:30 AM today. Not much good to me. I've never had that happen with GoBack before, but system resource hog or not, I much prefer it to XPs System Restore.

    The one thing that troubles me is the Disk Cleanup thing. If I've not been compressing my files and there has never been any data listed in the Disk Cleanup window in the past under Compressed Old Files why would that be a stumbling point when Disk Cleanup checks the system ??? I'm reluctant to run it again, because that seems to be the catalyst that drags the system down to a crawl. I suppose I must bite the bullet at some point and run it again and then just let it go for several hours, if need be, to see if it will clear itself. God I hate troubleshooting !!!!! I suppose I should devote some time to setting up and implementing a reliable, regular backup system. Or at least do what Cowboy does and use DriveCopy to create a new image once a week on another HD. Simple, but infinitely more effective than the one I have in place now !!! <img src=/S/stupidme.gif border=0 alt=stupidme width=30 height=30>
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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Bob,

    I did find that "bad actor" Q811493 on my system, but felt as SMBP does that MS has corrected the issues with that one after all the bad press it got. Besides, Woody said that we should get ALL the latest critical updates and patches and pronounced them to be "safe" (always a relative term with Microsoft <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>).

    I'll stand up and take my whippin' for installing all 21 Hotfixes at once <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/moon.gif border=0 alt=moon width=15 height=15>. I tend to be a bit arrogant and self-assured with GoBack running and will often attempt to do things I really shouldn't do. This is the second time it's let me down, so it's not as bulletproof as I once thought. Like Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does.". And I does stupid real well sometimes !!! <img src=/S/newbrain.gif border=0 alt=newbrain width=21 height=22>
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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    <center>
    <hr>The thing that still concerns me is the Disk Cleanup problem<hr>
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    I think I have an answer to this problem, but it involves a registry edit and I would like your, and other lounger's, opinion of this move before I make it. It seems like it's pretty simple and straight-forward and I found variations of it in several places. Here's the tweak..........

    Open regedit. Navigate to:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurr
    entVersionExplorerVolumeCaches

    Delete the entry "Compress Old Files".

    Now cleanmgr.exe will work! You can still compress files manually, but cleanmgr.exe will not have the capacity to automatically compress old files after you make this change.


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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    SMBP & Doc,

    I also have 811493 on my system but the date is 5/29/03, so I assume that is the revised version. As I said in my other post, MS did claim to fix the patch, but I know that I had to delete the old version first before installing the current one. ( it didn't overwrite ) It might be worthwhile to drop the 811493 patch that Doc has, and reinstall the new?

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Bob,

    How did you get that date ??? <img src=/S/scratch.gif border=0 alt=scratch width=25 height=29> I can't find the hotfix file anywhere except in Add/Remove Programs (no properties available there) and the uninstall file in C:/Windows. Since I downloaded and installed on 9/11/03 that's the date on the uninstall file. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Doc,

    I got that from Aida32, under windows updates.

    If you don't have Aida, you can get it at AIDA32

    Great info prog.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Thanks Bob !! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> Is it similar to Belarc Advisor ??
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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (XP Pro SP1 + Updates)

    Similar, but with MORE information & detail.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (

    Hi, Doc ~

    The Disk Cleaning utility doesn't actually compress files, it calculates the possible space savings shoud you choose to compress. There is no good reason to compress as doing so is a noticeable performance hit and the advent of HD value makes for large volume at low cost and most never fill a HD. Should you ever get to that point, it is either time to move old files to media or add a new HD.

    The first method you supplied above is the better and I have used as well as promoted that method for over 2 years with unadulterated success.

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    Re: Installed Critical Updates -System VERY Slow (

    Bruce,

    Do I delete the entire folder "Compress Old Files" from the Volume Cache folder or just the values in the Compress Old Files folder ?? I was just there and wasn't sure so I bailed out.

    As an aside, when I attempted to do anything after that the system was very slow again and when I opened task manager (with great difficulty and much waiting) the only thing running was "cleanmgr.exe" and it was using 98 - 100% of the CPU. Ended that process and CPU usage went right to 4%. That is Disk Cleanup isn't it ???
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    Hi, Doc ~

    Simply delete the entry 'Compress Old Files'.

    Yes, 'cleanmgr.exe' is the Disk Cleanup utility. Once you apply the reg fix, it will be 4-9%, tops.

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