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    Font color button (Word 97)

    Hi,
    Another simple question: when you click the drop-down on the Font color button, you can either pick a color or pick "automatic". If I pick automatic it turns the text black, just as if I had picked black. Help is no help. Does anybody know what they had in mind?
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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by jscher2000 on 17-Sep-03 14:40. Wrong!!)</P>Automatic refers to the color set in the underlying paragraph style, or in any character style applied over the paragraph style. At least, I think that's what it means. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Added: Wrong!! I have no idea what's going on here.

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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    It is a no-frills way of allowing Word to decide what font colour gives a good distinction from the background shading of the paragraph.

    If you have text coloured as automatic and you change the shading of the paragraph to black (or one of the very dark colours) then the text magically changes to white. I think the only two possibilities are either black or white text but I don't play with this much so there might be other possibilities.
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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Andrew, it must be something else.
    I set the text to automatic and colored the paragraph black;
    then I set the text to black and again colored the paragraph to black,
    and with both settings, the text turned to white.
    Ideas? <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>

    OK. I got it from a long forgotten manual.
    If you go to Display-properties>Appearance-tab>and set the Item-dropdown to message-box,
    you can set a font-color which will then show up in lots of windows uses,
    inluding Word's automatic font-color.
    I think they were so embarassed by this, they decided not to put it in the help system.
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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Hi Al:
    Are you sure? I'm with Andrew on this, although I don't have Word 97 to test it on. Are you sure you set the Format/Borders & Shading to black (or very dark) & the font also? When I do it, the text becomes invisible.

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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Al

    I don't know what is happening on your machine but here is a screen capture from Word 2002 showing what I described. I haven't tested this back in Word 97 what I see is consistent with my memory of what I expected automatic to do.

    Is it possible that you only see the text because it is selected at the time. If you unselect it, does it look like black on black? Alternatively, what happens when you view the page in print preview (or print it). Another possibility is you have some autoformat as you type setting turned on but this is unlikely to be the cause.

    For the screen shot, I did a vertical selection so you could see what happens to the text and background if the area is selected. That is why there is a funny looking vertical band across the middle of the paragraph pairs.
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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Hi -

    This might clear up some of the confusion:

    "Cick the color you want to apply to the selected text. Unless you've changed the text color in the Windows Control Panel, clicking Auto sets the text color to black. If the selection is in a paragraph with shading formatting of 80 percent or greater, clicking Auto sets the text color to white."

    ( found this explanation by using the context sensitive help on Automatic in Format/Font box.)


    Hope this Does help!

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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Andrew,
    I have learned over the years that with Ms and especially Word, I should never insist that any test no matter how open and shut , must be what it seems. And so, in that spirit . . .
    1. In my copy of Word 97, using font-color automatic does absolutely nothing.
    If I apply a "real" font color, doing shiftF1 on it tells me it has "Direct" font formatting of that color.
    If I apply "automatic" font color, shiftF1 shows NO Direct font formatted color.
    I have not repeated yesterday's exercise of setting windows message color to non-black, but I assume that then both applying no font color and applying automatic, would be display the windows color.

    2. If I apply borders and shading fill of some color, shiftF1 recognizes this as direct Paragraph formatting.

    3. If I apply my standard font color (black ) and then apply a shading fill of black, the font color on screen and printout changes to white.
    If I apply No font (which gives me black) and then apply a shading fill of black, the screen and printout are white on black
    If I apply "automatic" font color (which looks black) it again changes to white on black.
    So I can get white on black - - -but not white on blue as in your example.

    3. If I apply any other font color (at least red and blue), and then apply a shading fill of the same color, I can no longer read the text.
    And yes, shiftF9 tells me that both font formatting and paragraph formatting have that color applied.

    So here are my questions:
    1. If you apply automatic font color to text, does the text change?

    2. Assuming its appearance does not change, what tool proves that it's different from uncolored text.

    3. It occurred to me that perhaps highlighting and shading might do the same thing. Then I found that Word does not recognize highlighting as paragraph formatting. Also, black highlighting doesn't turn black font to white. But both of these are minor. Do you know other reasons why I should not think of highlighting as simply a more convenient way coloring the background.
    Thanx, Al

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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Curious, your answer makes perfect sense.
    And Ms deserves extra points for their ingenuity at hiding their help.
    BUT: When I applied the 100% blue background color first, and then tried the automatic font color, it still gave me black.
    <img src=/S/groan.gif border=0 alt=groan width=16 height=15> Al

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    Re: Font color button (Word 97)

    Hi Al:
    Andrew's not online right now, so:

    >>1. If you apply automatic font color to text, does the text change?
    Yes. However, it will only change appearance if it needs a contrast. On a white screen, applying automatic to a font will change it to black, which will change it's appearance unless you're already using black. I don't know all the permutations, but applying automatic to colored font on a dark background will change it to appear white.

    >>2. Assuming its appearance does not change, what tool proves that it's different from uncolored text.
    Shift+F1, as you have noted, will tell you whether there is direct formatting. Also, if you add a font color to a style, Shift+F1 will tell you that the Font color is part of the style.

    Also, I'm not sure why you say using font color automatic does nothing. If you use a dark green font & then apply a dark paragraph shading to it, the font will be almost invisible. If you then select the font & change the font color to automatic, it should appear again with a contrast.

    In your #3 above, you say you apply your standard font color (black). If it changes to white when you apply a dark paragraph border, than I don't think the font color is black---it's automatic, which changes depending upon the background. Perhaps I'm misreading what you're saying, though. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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