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    Critical Updates, Old date

    I usually install Critical Updates when notified by the automatic Critical Update Windows notification I have running in background, so I was wondering why I received the following notification from Windows Update regarding a patch that supposed was released 19 months ago:

    Security Update, February 13, 2002 (MSXML 4.0)
    Download size: 4.5 MB, 3 minutes
    This update resolves the "XMLHTTP Control Can Allow Access to Local Files" security vulnerability in Microsoft XML (MSXML) 4.0 and is discussed in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS02-008. Download now to help prevent a malicious user from reading the files on your computer when you visit a specially malformed Web site. Read more...

    Is this an updated version of a security patch previously released? A glitch in the notification process pertaining to a patch I already installed?

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    I would go to Windows Update webpage and run the check from there. If is is listed as being needed I would then install it from there.

    I do NOT rely on the Auto update, I visit the webpage daily and do a manual check.

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    Hello Sat--

    First the answer to your question on revision is that the February patch hasn't been updated.
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    How did you figure that out without Google in five seconds?

    I went to this list from the MS Technet Security Site and any revisions from 19 months ago would have been denoted in the parentheses--but there aren't any! Look at the list:

    Complete Chronological Reference List of the Hotfixes From Microsoft Security with Revisions of Previous Patches in Parantheses And note well--this doesn't use the Windows Update stumbling install mechanism or servers--there are different servers for this site if you use the security bulletins.
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    How could I get the security bulletin email service and what if I want to search for a particular hotfix to nail it and any possible revision?

    Use the HotFix Search Service and the Link at the Top to Register to automatically receive security bulletins.

    Hey Microsoft! Send Sat the Security Bulletins Notifications PGP Coded With Links to Downloads via Email
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    What is the fastest way to insure my download goes in properly if I were to use the Security Bulletins?

    [i]Simply don't scroll down and use Windows Update to be sure of getting it in. Mouse over to the taspane, sidebar, hyperlink on the right and

    1) Click on "Get More Technical Details About this Update"
    2) Simply scroll down on this web pager eached from Step #1 and Under Patch Availability Download Locations For This Patch: Click on Windows XP and Download it Here and It's In.
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    OK--I can decide whether to use the security site and I have it as a reference for previous patch revisions, but I want to know why the glitch happened with Win Update and how I can always quickly confirm if a particular patch is in. Show me that:

    It is not unusual for Win Update to tell you that a particular hotfix is needed that you already have-- and it's also not unusual for it to say you have something installed that glitched on the way in and didn't. See this KB and the Windows Update troubleshooter with scenarios like yours, including the registry keys to reference for confirmation of installation:

    319109: Windows Update Site Lists Updates That You Already Installed and Which Registry Keys to Use to Definitively Confirm a Particular Hotfix is In or Not

    Windows Update Troubleshooter and It's Long Littany of WU Glitches--Why Microsoft is Revamping WU to be Microsoft Update in the Future

    Post 294528 Additional Links on Win Update and Additional Registry Confirmation Keys from WU MSKB's

    Post 288653: Additional Link Lists on Windows Update and Post 288664 More WU Troubleshooting and Helfpul Links
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    [i] Suppose I reinstall Windows and Want to Download Multiple Hotfixes Before Rebooting Rapidly and How Can I Get the MS Hotfix Checker?[i]

    296861: How to Install Multiple Windows Updates or Hotfixes with Only One Reboot

    282784: Qfecheck.exe Verifies the Installation of Windows 2000 and Windows XP Hotfixes

    hth Sat, and if questions fire back at me--

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    I assume this wasn't just a delayed e-mail but a live "Windows Update" check. My guess is that you installed a program that included an earlier version of the XML library. Windows Update then found this library and thus offered you a "new" update that you previously didn't need because you either had a more recent version or you had patched it. (Some installers aren't very smart about these things.) But it's just a guess.

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    I did install Encarta 2004 yesterday, perhaps that somehow precipitated the need for the "update."

    I went to Windows Update and installed the patch, usually the Update Detection Engine is accurate as to what I need, with the exception a few months back of that patch that kept coming up as "Critical" even after it had been installed until Windows fixed the problem.

    Thanks everyone for the feedback and suggestions.
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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    I know Encarta has updates for Encarta-- I have 2003--but I don't remember them being delivered through Windows Update--I haven't opened it in a while. Don't you just click on the Encarta toolbar and it goes to some "Encarta server" where they store their updates, and it delivers them from there? I wouldn't think that has any impact on your problem at all Sat.

    I get a kick out of these cyber multimedia encyclopedias with their simulated flights over maps-- that cost a fraction of what the paper ones used to cost and can deliver much more information and search capability. Some of the paper ones used to cost several hundred bucks. It would have been nice doing my grade school reports with Encarta , Word, and Excel--much more time to go out and throw the ball around.

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    I used to be very careful about software installs, and used a utility from PC Magazine called InCtrl5 to log every registry and file system change. That would have been useful in this case to check the diagnosis. However, I've gotten rather cavalier lately. Sooner or later it will come back to bite me. But hopefully not sooner. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    Have you ever felt the need to install software in Safe Mode if you were having trouble getting it to install or for any other reason?

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    "Have you ever felt the need to install software in Safe Mode "

    NO

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    It never occurred to me. I've had far more difficulty uninstalling than installing. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    Thanks Dave, thanks Jefferson--

    That's a lot of years of experience and perspective and helps. There is some software that can create a problem on installation but that is probably very dependent on the situation of that particular machine's hardware and software configuration, and there is some software that recommends turning off Antivirus and Firewall, I think that SP1 for Microsoft did this and some other MS downloads as well as third party.

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    "software that can create a problem on installation"

    I have found most of the time it is NOT the current software being installed as the problem, but the 1) user, 2) other software and 3) hardware as the bottom line.

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    Re: Critical Updates, Old date

    You are 110% right on that. I did have to end run Partition magic 8 though, and it's a known rare problem and I don't think I did anything to cause a hardship getting it in. There was a persistent error message that they know about, don't know how to fix, and I copied it to the hard drive through Windows Explorer and it worked fine but I just could not get it in.

    Could I have had some fly by night software in that caused a problem? Sure Done something wrong I didn't realize that set up problem installing something? Sure. But I try to be careful what I put in and most of the programs I use seem to be very well done, they seve a useful purpose, they're usually endorsed by people with a fair amount of experience using them and time. Hardware problem? Sure, but not that I know about. The driver probems I've had I've been able to fix pretty quickly. So it could be something I'll never pick up. But 97% or so of what I've installed goes in fine.

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