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    Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Hello -

    I am trying to troubleshoot a problem with Windows Update and IE 5.5 sp1. When I access the WinUpdt site, I am told that I need a new version of the software, which then supposedly downloads and installs, but then I get the same page again, saying I need to download and install new Windows Update Software.... (Arrgh!!!) <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15>

    At first I thought it might be because I had set IE to prompt before running ActiveX controls, but even with the setting to enable even unsigned controls, I still get caught in the same loop. I am running ZoneAlarm and TrendMicro's PC-cillan, and I do not see any warnings from these to indicate that they are causing some kind of problem. Any ideas?

    Above is the real problem, (since I can't run Windows Update to see which updates I need to apply) and here is the question for this post.

    Should I install IE 5.5 sp2 or not? Since I am on Win98 SE, I don't really want to go to IE 6.x, but the page says that the 5.5 sp2 is for ME. I don't expect there would be problems, but I wanted to ask if there was anyone with experience and/or horror stories before I take the plunge. <img src=/S/toilet.gif border=0 alt=toilet width=24 height=26>

    Thanks in advance,
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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Do you have any script, pop up, pop under blockers running? These can and have stopped the Windows update from working properly.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by NAlmasy on 22-Sep-03 10:26. fix tag)</P>I find myself in a similar situation--can you even get IE5.5 SP2? I went to the IE home page today, and it seems that, except for WinME, you can't download this version now . . .and I would like to get a copy for a Win98 machine with a broken "Internet connection wizard . . ." I'm going to look in the back room for an old CD . . .

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Thanks for your replies.

    Dave, to answer your question, I do not have any other blocking software running. Just the firewall and the virus stuff. I would be leary of turning that off to try to run an update, given that I get probed about every 2-4 seconds. <img src=/S/duck.gif border=0 alt=duck width=23 height=23>

    NAImasy, I could not find a version specific SP2 for Win98 (SE or not), so I downloaded the version for ME, thinking it might be close enough to run. I know that Win98 is officially no longer serviced, so I am wondering if the folks in Redmond have made sure that there are no references to it in the pages for this release. I don't know... If somebody does, please enlighten us! <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    John--

    Ed by SMBP: I used an illustration with Windows XP because I picked the last critical update at the top of the list but the principle is completely the same with Hotfixes that apply to Windows 98 and IE vulnerabilities for IE 5.5 or IE6.0 that I recommend you update to.

    Please see the links in this post which include the Windows Update Troubleshooter, but I think if you'll just take the quick steps below which will take around 5 minutes, you won't be having trouble blocking the site. This post also includes a number of links that explain problems with Windows Update, and links to get these updates via the Microsoft Seurity Site, the key being that if you use the security site, you'll completely avoid the problem you're posting forever.

    Posts 295892.

    Here is how to use the Microsoft Security Site for the last critical update for Windows XP issued on September 10, 2003:

    Chronogical Security Bulletin List and say you want 824146.

    The way to use the link above is in 3 steps corresonding to the screen shot below: 1) Click on the desired update. 2) Then click on "More Information Link" on the right. 3) Click on Download on the right and you won't have the glitch you're having now.

    I also would take these steps and they may fix Win Update should you still want to use it It's been working for messages like yours and very similar ones:

    1) Update IE to IE6SP1.
    2) If you have Zone Alarm, try disabling it and see if it helps you access Windows Update.
    3) Before you try delete Temporary Internet Files and Offline Content at Tools>Options.
    4) Start>My Computer>Program Files>C:Windows Update Folder (or whatever letter your OS is on you're using to access WUpdate). Set a Restore Point. Copy This Folder and then rename it to something like "John's Temporary Windows Update Folder in Case" but you probably won't need either.

    I strongly recommend the security site. The only time I've seen any Windows Update problems for m over than a year is on Newsgroups or the Lounge because I don't need it with the security site.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    NAlmasy:

    You can get IE5.5 here, but I'd follow the directions in Post 296493 and one of the steps I'd recommend is to update to IE6SP1--but I provided you the download option you requested since Microsoft did not.

    I strongly recommend that even if these steps get you back to Windows Update you use the Microsoft Security site option to update security.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Thank you, SMBP. It turns out that a colleague installed Office on that machine, after which IE suddenly began to work again! Still, I <img src=/S/groan.gif border=0 alt=groan width=16 height=15> would like to have more options than the old IE 4.0 CD I found in the back room.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Help me understand--what IE version do you have and what one if any do you want to change it to and is there any update problem you have --do you need to get an update--it is fairly easy to find any version of IE you want to install, and fairly easy to get in any update(s) you want I know that much.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    Hello SMBP

    Thank you for your help and ideas. I think I found out what was the problem, in that my version of PC-cillian seems to have been blocking Active-X controls that I said could run. When I turned that off, and ran the process, I was able to upgrade my Windows Update software to the extent that it works with the Java Filter on. I had also moved the Windows Update site into my Trusted zone (as recommended in another post), and I have set this area to have slightly looser restrictions on the Active-X controls. Between these things, I have been able to get the Windows Update site to work for me.

    You recommended to up grade to IE 6, but I was under the impression that would not be a wise choice for someone like me on Win98 and a three year old machine. At the time it came out, it seemed like the features were not worth it for the overhead. Perhaps I am wrong, but since a hardware upgrade is still out of the question (and for a long while to come), I think I need to be concerned about it.

    I will be looking at the Security Bulletins site more regularly, and try to keep on top of what is going on. I am in the situation that I don't really know at what point I am with my updates, so I need to get up to date and then stay that way.

    Thanks again.
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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    John--

    As far as I know, at least the official Microsoft stance is that you could do this--upgrade to IE6SP1 with 98; theoretically it's better Security wise; and you can get OE6SP1 independently--that has a few functionality features--the one I like is that when you're in a newsgroup--at least msn--a "Ctrl+H" combo will show all your past messages in red and the same combo will then switch to normal mode.

    We probably have a few regular posters who could comment. I know Joe Perez was using 98SE and I think Phil R. still might be but not sure of the browser combination with them.

    You would think that these Virus companies, like Trend who is very good, would test with Windows Update which is of course not an obscurely known or used component of Windows by so many.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    I just want a recent version of IE that I know has been tested on older versions of Windows (most of these, 12 or so, in my 'world,' are running Windows 98 SE.) My hesitation with IE 6 comes from a statement in WOW #8.36 - "Get your updates now", the first article, which makes me slightly uneasy: "(I'll shoot Windows Update if it tries to stick Internet Explorer 6 on my Windows 98 system again)". Must be a reason . . .I've had positive experiences with IE 5.5. That's all I can say. Thanks again for your help with this.

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    > You would think that these Virus companies, like Trend who is very good, would test with Windows Update which is of course
    > not an obscurely known or used component of Windows by so many.

    PC-Cillin's firewall contains a feature called "WebTrap" that can block Java applets and ActiveX objects during the download of web pages. This is described in Chapter

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    NAlmasy--

    I've found some of Woody's IE articles archived that deal predominantly with security vulnerabilities that have since been patched, or at least MS says they have. I'd appreciate it if you'd give me a date on that one or link it--I'm having trouble finding it in WWW sequences--could it be a Woody's XP before they were discontinued or is it a WOW?

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    It was a WOW, # 8.36 , and I probably didn't understand the context . . .

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    Re: Win98 SE and IE 5.5 SP2 (IE 5.5 SP1)

    NAlmasy--

    "The Woody's I quoted (out of context?) WOW September 10, 2003 Vol. 8 No. 6"

    Thanks, because so far all the past Woody's I read last night were concerned with security and only security flaws that have since been addressed in the IE6 and IE6SP1 subsequently--not with anything else, and I know plenty of people with 98 and the latest IE6SP1 and they aren't having any problems connected with this whatsoever, and they have a lot better security 128 bit encryption and it solves a lot of other problems.

    Everything Woody addressed I've seen in all the past newsletters has been fixed and he wrote this in a very recent WOW:

    [/b]"ALL CLEAR - GET YOUR UPDATES NOW[/b]
    As of today I recommend that everyone (with one exception) try to use Windows Update and Office Update to apply all of Microsoft's critical patches. (The exception: if you run Windows
    XP/Pro as a server for ASP.NET pages, with IIS 5.1 and .NET Framework version 1.0, then you need to jump through some hoops. I do NOT recommend that you install the optional updates (I'll shoot Windows Update if it tries to stick Internet Explorer 6 on my Windows
    98 system again).
    WOW 10 September 2003 Vol 8 No 36

    I don't know why Woody says this--he doesn't say, and I reread any possible sections in his new book and he does talk about drivers and I'd never touch Windows Update for them either, and most people I know and most IT people agree with my driver statement.

    Anyone holding back updating to IE6SP1 should take a good look at this and the 65 or so glitches and security vulnerablities fixed by IE6SP1:

    326489: List of Issues Fixed in Internet Explorer 6 Service Packs

    List of Fixes in IE6SP1

    Web Privacy

    If you do any banking at all on the internet, even look at your check balance and checks processed as an awful lot of people do, you want this. IE 5.5 includes 128 bit encryption as does IE6.0.

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