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    Full backup to CD / DVD

    Can anyone recommend a utility that can do a full backup of a drive or partition to CD or DVD. I don't mind paying a reasonable amount, but most products I have reviewed just won't do the job I want.

    Requirements include...
    <UL><LI>Must be able to backup an entire disk or partition, not just files
    <LI>Must be able to backup the live booted system, or boot from CD or floppy - I don't want to have to add another partition for booting just backup software
    <LI>Must be able to backup NTFS as well as FAT partitions
    <LI>Must be able to write directly to CD / DVD
    <LI>Must be able to span multiple CD / DVD drives if not enough space on the first one
    <LI>Must be able to restore the CD/DVD to recreate the partition without having to install the operating system first
    <LI>Would be nice to be able to restore individual files, but restoring of the partition is what I really need
    <LI>Would be nice if it created a bootable CD / DVD rather than needing floppies etc to do the restore[/list]All suggestions welcome.

    StuartR

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Oh Boy - A Can Of Worms Appears! 'Morning, Stuart. At the risk of opening the can, Drive Image has CD destination capability, makes an image of an entire partition or even multiple partitions on the same PHYSICAL drive, will retrieve individual files and the shipped product CD is bootable. Obviously the DI product will use multiple CDs to store the image, but I don't know about multiple DRIVES for one image. (maybe that's not what you meant) Drive Image DOES NOT create a bootable CD, since you are required to boot the product CD to restore a BOOT drive. This is only required if you're trying to restore the boot drive. If your boot drive, upon which DI is installed, is working and you want to restore an image from CDs to a slave or secondary physical drive, you don't have to boot the Drive Image CD. Is this too much info? In light of the announcement that Symantec is "acquiring" PowerQuest, this may be an even scarier proposition!

    Having said all that, I personally HAVE NEVER used the CD capability and there have been folks who have had difficulty with particular devices. Cowboy is a big user of the Drive Image "Copy Disk" feature, which I know is not your question.

    Lastly, I use a product called Backup Now to make nightly individual file backups BUT I believe the product is primarily designed for CD backup destination.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Hi Stuart,
    I've recently came across and purchased Acronis True Image 6.0 and I believe it covers 'all' of your points. Check it out. At $44 I thought it was a bargain.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Thanks, Acronis looks good - but there seems no way to purchase it online in the UK.

    StuartR

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Al,

    Thank you.

    As you guessed, I meant Media-Spanning, not Drive-Spanning. I must learn to use accurate English!

    I do nightly backups of all my user data using a script that runs Winzip from its command line utility. I am looking for a tool that will do a better job than my old copy of Symantec Ghost - which I find troublesome in terms of CD support, NIC support and general usability.

    I had ignored all the discussions of Drive Image in the past, because I wasn't using the product. I guess it's time to go find out for myself. I'll give it a try and tell you what I thought in a couple of weeks.

    StuartR

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Just in case you don't want to take the time to read previous threads on the topic, MY major problem (with which I got a little support initially, then they "dumped" me!) was that I store my backup images on an in-home machine on my LAN, dedicated to backups (four hard drives). The bootable Drive Image 7 CD would (when I was "simulating" a restore) NOT "see" the backup machine until I changed the LAN properties of THIS machine (XP Pro SP1) to DHCP. I have no idea why and PQ quit responding to my emails. They gave me explicit instructions, step by step, how to get DI 7 restore to work when the IP nums are manually assigned, but the instructions didn't work. I'm still using DI 7 to make weekly images of five partitions and I periodically "test" the restoration process again, just to be sure. By the way, when booting from the product CD, it takes about 5 - 7 minutes for the thing to finish booting. Don't know what OS they're using this time. They (PQ) used to use Caldera DOS core.

    Also, in case you read previous threads where I was about to give up, it turned out that TWO of the four drives on my backup machine were bad, according to Maxtor's diagnostics. This was causing Drive Image to abort because of bad sectors on the destination. After replacing those drives, DI 7 works like a charm every week. Final note - the drives were so bad, SpinRite couldn't repair anything, at all!

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    I also have one system on my home LAN with 4 disk drives on which I may try to store some images. Hopefully the fact that I already use DHCP for all my PCs will prevent me stumbling on this problem. I'll let you know.

    StuartR

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Al,
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    You mentioned DI will restore files? I have DI 2002, which I assume is V7.x. I never noticed this capability in DI.
    How do get to that feature?

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    According to the PowerQuest web site, Drive Image 2002 is packaged on the CD with Drive Image 7 for people who want the old product that works with older versions of Windows.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Stuart,

    Interesting...It also says that 2002 isn't for XP, yet I've used it to image and restore XP a couple of times and worked fine.??
    I did find that individual file CAN be restored in 2002, with Image Explorer. (answered my own question to Big Al ) Thanks for the pointer.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by bigaldoc on 28-Sep-03 15:23. )</P>Drive Image 2002 is VERSION 6. The new product, Version 7, throws in a separate CD with DI 2002 for those users who buy the product who DO NOT have Win XP or 2000. Two distinctly separate products, with two distinctly separate serial numbers!

    DI 2002 (6.x) also has the ability to restore individual file(s), as does version 7. Bob, look on your Start Menu wherever you put Drive Image and look for Image Browser or Image Editor (I don't remember for sure what it was called). When you run it, you select an image file and it will let you drill around in the file for files and directories. It's been around ever since version 2 or version 3.

    Edited to add: Oops, I just saw your next post! OK, so you found it. Now, the other point that seems to be confusing a LOT of people. PQ doesn't say that DI 2002 (6.x) is not for XP. Quite the contrary - version 6.x works wonderfully under XP. It's version 7 (the new baby) that will ONLY work with XP or 2000.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Big Al,

    Thanks for the input. I did finally find the way to restore individual files ( see post to Stuart above)

    Even MORE so, see my comment on using DI 2002 to image XP !!!! Seems to work OK. but I guess I should go with V7.

    Is there an upgrade from 2002 to V7? My Swedish thriftyness?? showing here. Why buy a whole new version, if an upgrade is available, at a lower price,

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    As far as I remember, the upgrade to version 7 is $40.

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    bleduc,

    I agree with you re: True Image 6.0. I've been using it for over a year and wouldn't be without it. I've used Ghost 2002/2003, and Drive Image and either had problems or didn't care for them for several reasons. The support for True Image is also excellent. I make full backups to unformatted high-speed CD-RWs weekly. I have also had 2 occasions to restore my XP system with the backups and it worked flawlessly and quickly both times. When I bought True Image, Acronis was offering a special deal for those that already had Ghost installed on their system. The cost was only $9.95 U.S. I'm not sure if that deal is still available or not, but a search on the acronis website http://www.acronis.com or an e-mail to Acronis would confirm this easy enough. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Full backup to CD / DVD

    Hi Jeff,
    As of last week, Acronis still had the 9.95 offer for Ghost owners, they have a special program that only installs if you have the Ghost program installed.
    I paid full price for it, but you know - it's worth it..
    Before I bought True Image I had a hard disk crash, no backup, except for a few data file directories on a CD.. Took me a week and a half to reinstall the OS, and all of my regular applications.. With True Image it would have been done in a couple of hours..
    Thanks for your vote of confidence on this software..

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