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    OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    People,

    Windows XP (Home), which came loaded on my new Dell, has always performed screwy (even after a total uninstall/drive reformatting/reinstall.)

    Device drivers cause audio apps (& the OS itself) to crash . . . Windows Explorer shuts down unexpectedly . . . numerous other untold minor problems.

    The worst thing of all is, "System Restore" has never worked . . . never. Dell doesn't even know the answer to that one.

    I have heard that OS's, particularly XP, which are packaged as a partnership deal with various PC mfg.'s (which I've heard referred to as OEM Operating Systems), work crappy.

    Is this true?

    Are the System Files set up differently? Are they screwed up because they're not of a pure Microsoft OS release? Or, is there no difference in the way they're structured at all.

    As a PC audiophile (I do a lot of work with digital audio multutracking/recording apps . . . SONAR, WaveLab, etc.), am I better off with an off-the-shelf version of XP?

    Thanks,

    mark4man


    BTW - If so, what should I be looking for on the box? (i.e., latest release, etc.) Thanks again.
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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    This really depends on the particular OEM. It is their responsibility to put together a package of Operating System, drivers, utilities and whatever else they think will "add value" to their package. Some do it better than others. One area where there is a lot of variability is in the quality and effectiveness of the restore CDs.

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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    I don't think you can make general statements about OEM packaging. I bought a Dell PC with Windows XP Home in January of this year, and it has worked flawlessly all the time. Also, although I admit I am no expert on this, I don't think that the Windows XP pre-installed on your PC is essentially different from the version you can buy in a store. So I fear that it's a case of a screwy PC, not of an inherently screwy setup. Not that that helps you, of course. It is extremely annoying, and I hope that someone else will be able to give useful advice.

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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    I have to agree with Hans. I don't think Microsoft allows Dell or who ever to take their OS { WinXP ) and mess with or rearrange it in anyway before they install it. The WinXP CD was purchased from Microsoft by Dell or who ever and then installed on their Computers before they ship them out, so it sounds to me like you have some other issues besides the OS. Normally the problem with OEM WinXP CD's is that they only allow complete clean reinstalls, they don,t have any of the other options, but when they install, they install just like any other WinXP CD. They don't just install certain files and leave off other things that the Operating System is supposed to have. I have used OEM CD's and I have not seen any difference, except what I mentioned above.
    Sounds like some Compatability problems to me. Maybe you need some updated Drivers or something.

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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    I 3rd Hans and CBD. But I wouldn't buy Office or Windows XP OEM--the price difference if you check them out is not all that much. I can't count the tales of problems booting from a BSOD with some of the recovery CD's that aren't the regular CD for the OS--and with a box you have support from MS which is in general a quantum leap above the support I've seen from the OEM's if they even attempt to solve software problems. With a large problem MS will tend to stick with it and do a pretty good job. The OEM's well...good luck. That's why you have the Lounge.

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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    This will repair System Restore. It's from Microsoft Knowledge Base #313853
    I have used it before and it works great.

    To merge all of the information at one time, you can copy and paste the following text into a text editor, such as Notepad, and then save it as a .reg file. Then double click on the saved reg file and it will merge into your registry and thats it.
    NOTE: You must copy all of the following text between the lines to ensure that this procedure works as expected.

    <hr>

    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT.htc]
    "Content Type"="text/x-component"
    @="htcfile"

    [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTMIMEDatabaseContent Typetext/x-component]
    "CLSID"="{3050f4f8-98b5-11cf-bb82-00aa00bdce0b}"
    "Extension"=".htc"

    [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{3050f4f8-98b5-11cf-bb82-00aa00bdce0b}]
    @="Microsoft Html Component"
    [HKEY_CLASSES_ROOTCLSID{3050f4f8-98b5-11cf-bb82-00aa00bdce0b}InProcServer32]
    @="C:WINDOWSSystem32mshtml.dll"
    "ThreadingModel"="Apartment""

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREClasses.htc]
    "Content Type"="text/x-component"
    @="htcfile"

    <hr>


    After you finish the preceding steps, you can use the System Restore tool. However, when you use the System Restore tool to restore an earlier configuration, the registry fix is removed from the Windows registry. To make sure that the problem does not occur again after you restore the earlier configuration, repeat the preceding steps to fix the System Restore tool, create a new System Restore point, and label it to indicate that it contains the System Restore fix. After you do this, you can use the System Restore tool at any time to restore the System Restore point that contains the fix without damaging the System Restore tool.

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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    Thanks all,

    I guess I should have realized there was not much difference, if any . . . but was half-way hoping it might be a factor in causing my problem (DA multitracking app & OS crashes.)

    I was intending on replacing my primary drive; & loading a boxed version of XP, but I guess I'll only go this route now if I can't get System Restore to work any other way (not so sure I like the Microsoft Registry fix.)

    Thanks again,

    mark4man
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    Re: OES XP vs. 'off-the-shelf' from Microsoft (Home Edition)

    Here's a faster way to try to fix System Restore--I find a number of people say also they don't have a restore point because they think it's ghosted and all they have to do is go back another month.

    Go to Kelly's Tweaks Line 289 Column Right and use her 2 click reg hack.

    SMBP

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