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    SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Oh no! Is this going to be another rush job because of all the problems lately?
    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/security/...39117154,00.htm

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    I wonder if this news about a special patch for lazy or cautious people is in addition to the next service pack? !

    From CNN.COM on Oct. 16

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    <hr>Separately, Microsoft began offering Windows XP users a single, convenient patch that combines 22 previous updates. It was aimed at customers who haven't diligently applied every software patch or who recently bought a new computer or recently installed Windows from scratch. <hr>
    This is all very vague - what are they referring to? It surely can't be SP2?

    It can't be too long before Microsoft is forced to purchase broadband links for all its customers, to enable them to download the monthly fixes within a practical timescale, or perhaps send a monthly CD to each customer with "this months" fixes on it? <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Hi,
    I have two friends who are way behind on Updates because they are on dial-up (both were hit by Blaster and still don`t have the patches)
    Last night I noted all the Critical Updates in my Control Panel and went to Windows Catalogue to download them to burn a CD for these friends. I spent a while going through all the Updates selecting the ones I had installed. Now here`s the laugh (although I wasn`t laughing at the time) . When I reached the end of the list the final entry was a large download containing all the Critical Updates.Who would have thought to check at the very end first?? Still, I was pleased to see now that the download contains 22 patches, as that was the number I had installed. It appears that Micrisoft have bundled all 22 together in the one large download. I thought that it was best not to install a lot of patches at the one time. I only ever do 2 or 3 at a time. There are no guidelines about not installing them all at once. I certainly wouldn`t, but some people may. I think they are trying to encourage everyone to install all the patches, but it is going to cause problems.

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Thanks for posting, Elaine. Maybe this will clear it up for lots of other folks (like me!) who've not kept as up to date as we should have! For the reference of others, the "big patch" has a number of KB826939, it's 9 meg in size and, as Elaine said, contains a listing of 22 previous patches. I think I'll try it, since I just did a full backup yesterday. MS really goes wild when you do one of these - I gave it a download directory of D:Temp but it put the executable SIX sub-directories further down <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Rick Kaplan made this announcement and his overall boss has contradicted him. It wouldn't be the first announcement by Microsoft that changes several times in a week. Their OE kill announcement did just that a couple months ago.

    The issue is to prophylactically and pre-emptively design software that makes this cascade of patches unnecessary, and they have not reduced the number of patches--despite all the security initiatives, fancy names, and revolving door of multiple security directors--several hires and resignations in the past 24 months.

    See Post 30502 Platform VP Microsoft announces delay of SP2 to after July 2004.

    As Ralph Emerson said "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" which often describes Microsoft announcements regarding dates of release and Emerson didn't distinguish between a foolish and a wise consistency. Maybe Redmond does.

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    How 'bout gettin' off your soapbox for a few minutes, will ya? This whole business of providing an "operating system" for the masses is a HUGE undertaking and I for one don't think MS is trying to take us for a ride. They happen to be in the most visible position of being the bad guys for lots of folks who have no mercy about the difficulty of the job at hand. I for one, have downloaded and installed this "big patch" for all the preceding security updates and am not having any problems. Give 'em a break for a few minutes, will ya?

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Not on my soapbox or anyone elses in the least. I have the empathy. I would be the last person to think MS is "trying to take people for a ride" because I appreciate the talent their and enjoy learning from a lot of them. If you have the time you can directly question their product managers and get a real time answer several times a month on a webcast on servers, the OS, or Office Systems components.

    There is a problem of cascading patches though that is a different one from any perceived or real side effect of a particular patch.

    I appreciate that what you're saying is that by far they write the most lines of code and they are the #1 target in a lot of venues. I didn't even approach evil empire rhetoric in tone or implication.

    Things that I said are also said by Woody Leonhard in his newsletters and rightly so, and considerbly more and you don't put Woody on a soapbox or I think believe he doesn't understand the undertaking of an operating system or Office.

    I do think though that there are many products hyped as the elete cutting edge product and the more software I can experience, the more I learn there are apps that do things considerably better. The apps are competitively priced as well. They don't have the marketing machine that Microsoft enjoys or the enormous web presence.

    I don't see anything wrong with saying that the number of patches should be significantly reduced and should have been by now so that people don't have to spend so much time worrying about hotfixes on their production machines or in their leisure time so they can enjoy their applications.

    Look at the sheer number of update questions in Windows,XP, 2K and IE in the lounge as a percent of posts lately! Have much empathy and appreciation as you do that it's difficult to make software used so widely. Not anti-microsoft. See them a lot. Email with them. They mostly regret the large number of patches and are frustrated with patch management and the sheer number. Whether one big one comes out on Friday or one every two days doesn't change the fact that there are two m any patches and saying so is not anti-microsoft or a soap box.

    You will be vulnerable to exploits that are patched, during the month between the patches, but this is a response to the inconvenience of 3 or more patches a week for some people. For the individual on a few machines, I don't think it's near the burden as it is for the individual who has responsibility for a large number of machines.

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    From this article from Paul Thurrott it would seem that SP2 with kinda sorta partway Longhorn security technology dubbed "Springboard" incorporated into SP2. This is slated to undergo Beta testing which will require a considerably longer time than Rick Kaplan indicated and would include Winup Ver. 5--a new version of Windows Update or Microsoft Update or whatever they are going to call it.

    The Register quoted Bill Gates today saying that the technology that is projected for SP2 and Longhorn as well will be later rather than sooner:

    Bill Gates: 'Longhorn is going to be late'

    Windows XP SP2 to be a 'Springboard' to Longhorn

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    I guess it's a "super-cumulative update." Microsoft ought to ask ISPs (e.g., AOL) to burn them onto their promotional media mailers. We HAVE the distribution channel, we just have to USE it. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: SP2 Release (XP Home +SP1)

    Microsoft retracted Rick Kaplan's announcment 3 days after he made it but that's this week--there's always next week...

    Microsoft clears its own XP SP2 confusion on Oct 17

    Microsoft Tells Paul Thurrott SP2 Early 2004 but...

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