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    Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    For one reason or another, Windows some times elects to open files, contrary to previous settings, minimized. I always like my files to open maximized whether I am browsing in IE or work on office files. I have gone through all the settings (I think) in folder options and internet options, and just can

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Not all applications "remember" whether they were maximized. Internet Explorer is an example only stores window position and size, but not the maximized state. So you have to fake it: make sure that Internet Explorer is not maximized, then drag the edges of its window to the edges of the screen, so that it lools maximized even if it isn't. Then close IE. Next time it will come up the same way.

    There are utilities that take care of this problem; I'm sure that other loungers will post links.

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Just to confirm: are any of these files being opened from shortcuts of any kind?
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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Yes! I have a separate file of favorite shortcuts on my task bar. The links usually open maximized, but now an again revert to minimized. It might change back to opening maximized without having an clear indication of what I could have done to fix it.

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Right-click on the problem shortcut to the folder on your task bar, and make sure that the Run box says "Maximized".
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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    I don't know if this will help, but try making sure that you have folder options View>Folder Options set to open folders in a separate Window. I don't know if the close relationship between IE and Windows Explorer will help this, but I have noticed this (the Lounge has had many many open IE windows maximized threads which have included several suggestions and close to a secret IE handshake):

    With IE if I hit File>Open in a New Window or Ctrl+ N to get the same effect and then close the original window and manually stretch the second window and then close it either from File or the X--I know some people have a preference here and then hold down Ctrl I can make IE windows behave and even rachet their size. I can do it with OE. I have taken this to different machines and it worked. But I wouldn't extend this to every machine or give it statistically meaningful status--it works for me.

    So I wonder just because of the relationship between IE and WE if you try this, and also make sure you have folders set to open in a separate window, it will help. I know the "Open Folder in a Separate Window" is to make each folder window launched a separate explorer task. The benefit of this method is that if one window has an error and crashes the others should be not be affected. The disadvantage is that it takes more system resources for each folder.

    The registry setting for folders is:

    User Key: [HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVe rsionExplorer
    Advanced]

    Value Name: SeparateProcess
    Data Type: REG_DWORD (DWORD Value)
    Value Data: (0 = disabled, 1 = enabled)

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    I'm not sure I understand what this does. Once I used Windows Explorer/My Computer configured to open a folder in a new window. I think this was in Windows 98 or Windows NT. Drilling down five levels opened up five new windows. If this Registry setting does that, I think the cure would be worse than the disease, at least for someone who drills through ("opens") a lot of folders in Windows Explorer/My Computer.

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Thanks, you Gentlemen are amazing. The best forum for Windows Problems I have jet encountered. I have never seen such a fast and professional response.
    Your suggestions are all valid and most have been tried by me before I ask for help. My folder with the favorite links is set to Run: Maximized as per the advice from

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    What I'm not sure about Jefferson is whether it would have any impact on the problem of getting folder windows to open maximized. It seems to be a registry edit that confirms doing what you can do from the gui I described which is to go to Folder Options and have the folder open in a new window. What it is intended to do is that if you have a crash with one folder window open, to keep the entire system from crashing so that you can go on and use the other folder windows. The down side is that it will take more system resources to run each folder.

    I was wondering whether doing what I know works for me in IE to make windows "remember full size" could relate to and help this function in folder windows.

    I believe if you change it from the gui you change that registry value--mine is set to open a folder in a new window, and the value in the registry is "1." It doesn't do what you describe. I think having it that way helps stability in a crash. I'm able to abort a number of crashes by opening a new explorer through task manager, but whether this has any relation to that I'm not sure. I know what the registry sites and books say it's supposed to do.

    There is also the corresponding setting on the Advanced tab of IE options to launch browser windows in a separate process which is to can prevent one instance of Explorer from affecting other instances if it stops responding.

    It can be set at the gui of course or has the registry setting:


    User Key: [HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVe rsionExplorer
    BrowseNewProcess]

    Value Name: BrowseNewProcess
    Data Type: REG_SZ (String Value)
    Value Data: Yes or No

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    > It doesn't do what you describe.

    What if I'm half right? Turning on "open in a new window" does what I described in My Computer, but not in Windows Explorer. To be more precise to Windows XP, it opens a new window for each folder when the folder tree is not displayed.

    I don't think this could have any effect on stability without also having the effect of opening new windows. What books say that it increases stability?

    > I'm able to abort a number of crashes by opening a new explorer through task manager

    What does this entail? You do File>New task and then start Windows Explorer from there? I'm not sure I understand how that would be different than pressing the Window+E combination. Maybe you're talking about a really severe crash where you don't even have the desktop any more?

    > There is also the corresponding setting on the Advanced tab of IE options to launch browser windows in a separate process

    I read that tab 5 times. Finally, I went to Google and discovered... "Launch Browser Windows in a Separate Process" Setting Is Not Available in Internet Explorer 5.01 or Internet Explorer 5.5 (MSKB 240928) ...that IE6 has this setting enabled automatically if there is more than 32MB of RAM installed (unless that's a typo, that means it's always on).

    Interestingly, the article describes the feature as applying to "each instance of Internet Explorer that you start" and not "each web page that you open." Perhaps this has the same meaning, but I don't think so: it doesn't work that way for me... no matter how many windows I have open, if one dies and IE wants me to send a message to Redmond about it, they all close. I'd happily experiment more, but I'm trying to avoid those kinds of things. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    I'd be glad to try to answer your questions if I understood a little more precisely what you mean.

    "It doesn't do what you describe."

    What doesn't do what what describes? The reg hack? My method for making IE windows open maximized? That works for me. I'm a bit confused by your post.

    As I said, to solve the folder problem, I'm not sure that open in new windows has anything to do with it. I thought it might help. I didn't see a down side since the gui setting is just reflected in the registry edit, and the registry edit seems supurfluous if you've put that radio button in open folders in new window--the gui changes the value number.

    I like the setting--it doesn't bother me. I like folders opening in their own windows. If you hold down the shift key and click on the close button you close all open folder windows in the chain that was used to get that folder in the single folder view with the setting "to open each folder in a new window." Hold the ctrl key down to select or deselect multiple folders one by one. You can't select more than one folder in the folder tree, but you can in the right pane.

    Annoyances: Question Own Window vs. Same Window

    Making Windows Display Folders Differently

    Open new windows when you want them to

    In XP the registry is going to be already identical to that key with a "1" if you have the gui set to open a folder in a new window--at least on my machines it is. I have always had it set that way.

    What books say that it increases stability? If you mean the regedit, I didn't cite a book. But there are registry experts who say that it does who make registry software and spend their days studying and making regedits that work who do. But I will comb through my library and see what I can find later today. I cited a website--this one:

    Launch Folder Windows in A Separate Process--Winguides

    Launch Browser Windows in A Separate Process

    Open IE Shortcuts in A New Window
    __________________________________________________ ____________________________

    On aborting crashes--not all but IE will close now for different reasons--mshtml.dll crashes for example to the desktop closing all IE windows. This I took from a tip TimO once posted in the Lounge. I don't think it is different from Windows key + E--but it opens a new instance of Explorer either way--and sometime if there is a freeze you can make it happen through Task Manager when the keys won't do it.

    I find, Jefferson, that if you open the Explore window in the 'send to Redmond situation' first and then close the send to Red. window, you can usually abort a "crash" that closes all your open IE windows. I think the KB though, and not completely sure, is not referring to IE6 in XP--or possibly to IE6 in that last paragraph--would that make a difference?

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    BTW--

    I tried to find a corresponding KB to the one you posted for IE6 and XP or for IE6 and I couldn't. I started through my books on folders and explorers and there are a mind boggling number of views, and folder tricks (at least for me) just from using the shift and ctrl keys alone in Windows Explorer and with folders and their views. I want to try to sort them out when I have more time (and sleep) but I'm not sure I will be able to completely. Two of the books were by David Karp:

    Win XP Annoyances--David Karp

    Win XP in a Nutshell--David Karp

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    SMBP, you're turning this all around.
    <hr>I'd be glad to try to answer your questions if I understood a little more precisely what you mean.

    "It doesn't do what you describe."

    What doesn't do what what describes? The reg hack? My method for making IE windows open maximized? That works for me. I'm a bit confused by your post.<hr>
    Now... you told me that "open in a new window" didn't open each folder in a new Window as I had said, and I corrected my reference to refer to when there was no folder tree displayed. I thought it was clear from the ">" that the italicized portion was quoted from your post. However, I will make sure I am even clearer in the future.

    SMBP > What books say that it increases stability? If you mean the regedit, I didn't cite a book. But
    SMBP > there are registry experts who say that it does who make registry software and spend their days
    SMBP > studying and making regedits that work who do. But I will comb through my library and see what
    SMBP > I can find later today. I cited a website--this one:

    I guess we're talking about two different things. I see these folks saying that having an independent second window means that if the first window crashes you still have the second window running. To me "stability" means something a bit different: less prone to crashes in the first place, not equally prone to crashes but more convenient than reopening a new window. If you do turn up evidence of improved "stability" in that sense, now that would be news

    SMBP > I think the KB though, and not completely sure, is not referring to IE6 in XP--or possibly to IE6
    SMBP > in that last paragraph--would that make a difference?

    IE6 was in the list of products affected, or I would not have posted the reference. If you don't trust Microsoft, check out the link you posted about the opening of browser windows in a new process: it has the same information, just without the explanation of why it was removed from the dialog.

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    You're usually awfully clear. I just mentioned this opening explorer as a way to get out of a mini-jam if you get in it. Avoiding it is best practices to be sure. What means stability to you is of course what we all want--prevention of the circumstances that make instability--rather than getting out of a jam.

    I meant to add one thing and I want to put up Tim's original post because I think it knowing the little principle can be a nice ploy or timesaver if you get in the little jam.

    Understood--in the spirit of pre-emption or preventive medicine--it is better to be more stable, i.e. not predisposed to have the problem then to have to deal with it in the first place.

    What means stability to you is what good users are always looking to do--run things so you don't have the problem in the first place--and good users are always looking for that--that's what you meant. And when I quoted Simon from Winguides--he mentioned a way he believes will keep the system from crashing according to the link I put up.

    I wanted to say that--if I push the RAM on a machine with XP and IE6SP1--happens particularly when researching a problem and keeping a lot of windows open to gather the info--then I find that a few of these IE will close now (often referencing a .dll like mshtml.dll but not always specific)--doyawanna send info to Redmond problems are more prone to happen. So taxing your memory, (one lounger mentioned the page load status bar disappearing as a sign but there are many others--script errors will come, pages will load more slowly, memory can give you a graphics display problem that looks like a "smear" or moving the mouse will show that) can provide a milieu where the problems will occur more readily.


    But also this will allow you to replicate the problem--just keep opening windows until your resources wain. You made the point that any way you open explorer--key combo Windows +E or from Task Manager--it gets open. But if you get into this jam, you may not be able to make anything happen through the key combo or make any window minimized open--and even Task Manager won't open from it's minimized window on the task bar or a task bar right click, but it will via Ctrl+Alt+Delete or if you're frozen and you have WMP or another resource taker open and can close it you're in business to "stop the crash."

    I find that invoking a new instance of explorer by typing explorer.exe or if you can get explorer open any way, then telling that error box to close with either sending the info to the Redmond server or not, you will make the error and the "Sorry for inconvenience IE will close now" go away. Sometimes these are memorialized at Event Viewer and often they aren't. If you look on the process list, you will then see two instances of explorer.exe open taking significant resources, and if you kill either, you will usually close the shell, and have a frozen desktop minus icons and taskbar, and you will have to reboot manually by shutting down your machine.

    "IE6 was in the list of products affected, or I would not have posted the reference." Indeed it was; and I wasn't being at all critical here. But if you click on the list of IE6 applications in that KB it doesn't list XP. Many many times, info that applies to Win 2K or even NT will apply to XP--I wasn't trying to split hairs--I just wasn't sure if this applies to XP. I appreciate this KB because it gives a reference to the principle I think Winguides was espousing and I do trust it. Often too, they don't list XP and sometimes IE6 in a KB but everything they say will work with XP. This occurs sometimes with KB's on Office component versions as well.
    __________________________________________________ __________________________
    Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6 for Windows 2000
    Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6 for Windows 98
    Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6 for Windows 98 Second Edition
    Microsoft Internet Explorer version 6 for Windows NT 4.0
    __________________________________________________ ___________________________

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    Re: Open files maximized (XP Home/SP1)

    Jefferson--

    Here is what you see listed in processes when you invoke another instance of explorer.exe to run to prevent "IExplorer from closing now." I pulled the typical error from the "Application" list in Event Viewer.

    "Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 6.0.2800.1106, faulting module mshtml.dll, version 6.0.2800.1264, fault address 0x0003fd84."

    What I'm saying is that if this error closes, whether it's in Win Media Player (WMP will close now--(faulting application--procedure call or even other errors), or IE or some other utility of XP or component of IE, I can often prevent the crash to close IE by opening a new instance of Windows Explorer. Once I kill the crash error box, instead of closing IE--IE cruises on it's merry way, and my browsing is not interrupted.

    I want to understand the differences/implications of "IExplorer.exe" and "Explorer.exe" here and their relation to the closing of "the shell." Hopefully someone can explain that. When you search for this you get some interesting discussions.

    I would appreciate it if you or someone could explain the implications of .explorer.exe and the relationship to IExplorer.exe--I take that to mean Windows Explorer's processes which include or are necessary for the browser IE to run. And if you start another instance of explorer, you can keep the browser going, but both are drawing CPU and resources. Please see below--the links reference the closing of the "shell" or IE and Windows Explorer or keeping them open by opening another instance of Windows Explorer:

    Frans Bouma's blog :"Spontaneous Restarting of the Shell"

    Extending Explorer with Band Objects using .NET and Windows Forms By Pavel Zolnikov

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