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    The ultimate virus protection.


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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    In Apple unleashes its Panther OS X, I was interested in the final sentence:

    Apple estimate there are now more than 8.5 million people using its OS X system worldwide.
    There are probably five times as many users of assorted versions of Windows in the UK alone!
    (But I'd hesitate to say that the corollary is that "42.5 million people can't be wrong"...)
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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    Ugh!

    How desparate can you get?

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    MSFT has stated that there are at least 400 000 000 Office users.
    Add in the Wordperfect users and those that use Windows without Office apps, that's a heck of a lot.

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    I think that 400 000 000 users needs to be taken with a grain of salt (silicon?). I personally have three copies of office. One for XP, in the office, one for OS X at home, and one for OS 9 also at home - but which isn't installed (legacy). In my case you will see that 2/3rds are for a platform other than the PC. To say that they have sold this many versions (legit and pirate) is probably true but how many are in use?

    Wonder if they have can say how many of these were 'upgrades'?

    and btw Office works just fine on my Mac ...

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    I though Bowlie's point was about Apple Mac, its operating system and the inability of hackers to write viruses for them, not the number of users of Office!

    It has been suggested that the reason why hackers don't bother with trying to write viruses for the Apple Mac is because there are so comparatively few of them. It might be this - or that the operating system is inherently more secure! You choose!
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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    Also why pick on some who does not have the money to spend on these attacks. It is also considered as a attack on MS and BG because these people (virus writers) are so jealous of their success.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    Hey Dave,
    Love that userpic!
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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    I have always heard this about Apple and the Unix operating system that Panther and all the other cats are based on, and if you or someone can shed some light on why it is so secure against viruses--I'd really like to learn. Is it that they are difficult to write--or that the Unix system is secure against them, or both and some other reasons? Hoping there are enough people that go way back with Apple and Unix to shed some light on this. Dave A's point that MS is the number one target for a lot of reasons and writes the most code is certainly a factor but people have always suggested to me it has to do with the Unix basis for Apple.

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    I'm thinking that making counterfeit pennies would be a more worthwhile project than producing a virus that would effect all Mac and Linux users! Not that producing viruses is a worthwhile project for anyone but I guess if they're going to do it, they'll always try to cause problems for as many people as possible...

    Stil, I was in a Mac store the other day and played around with their latest machine for quite some time. The look was clean and the system was more responsive than any Windows PC I've ever used. They 'claim' that the newest Mac is much faster than the best PCs when using real world applications. And, it was terribly hard to walk away from that 24 inch wide-screen Apple Cinema display. Way cool <img src=/S/thinks.gif border=0 alt=thinks width=15 height=15>

    Also, the iCal application is the most user-friendly calendar program I've ever seen. Came home and spent hours trying to find a version for Windows or shareware that was comparable. No luck. I've been using Outlook for more than ten years and it remains the most complicated application I've ever seen. Sure, it handles e-mail just fine but it's calendar and scheduling functions are insane. <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>
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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    Panther is Set to Prowl

    I mess with them at two stores--one Apple and one with an Apple room that is so much nicer than the rest of the store-- and find them just a pleasure to use to the extent I can with just great screens and very very responsive without some of the slowdowns you accept from time to time with Windows but some of that is hardware dependent.

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    The following is taken from an article in the Wall Street Journal by Walter Mossberg
    <hr>Here's why the Mac is so much less susceptible to viruses:

    First, the Mac OS X operating system is built on Unix, an industrial-strength operating system used in business, science and education. And OS X doesn't enable users -- or hackers who hijack user accounts -- to alter certain core files and features of its Unix underpinnings. By contrast, Windows XP users are given "full administrator" privileges that viruses and hackers can usurp to do damage.

    Also, Apple ships every Mac with all the communications "ports," or conduits that listen for commands over networks, closed. On Windows, some of these ports are left open.

    In addition, Macs constitute such a tiny share of the world's computers that they just aren't an attractive target for virus writers and hackers. You can't take down many computers, so you won't get much publicity.

    To do damage to a Mac, virus writers have to construct viruses that are specific to the Mac. The Windows viruses they churn out can't run on a Mac, even if they are received in e-mail by a Mac user. Neither can spyware or Trojan horse programs written for Windows.

    Like Microsoft, Apple issues periodic security patches, but they are less frequent than the Windows patches -- and some of them are needed to repair flaws in the software programs Microsoft writes for the Mac.

    Mac owners are still affected by two other scourges of today's computing: spam mail and pop-up ads. But even here, the Mac does a better job of protecting you. The Mac's free, built-in e-mail program, called Mail, has a spam filter, while the Windows free e-mail program, Outlook Express, doesn't. And the Mac's built-in Web browser, Safari, has a built-in pop-up blocker, something that Microsoft's browser, Internet Explorer, lacks.<hr>

    So you see the 'installed user base' scores only #3 on the list. It's ironic but it would seem to me that it would be very easy for MS to mimic Apple on the first two. I wonder why they don't?

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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

    Bowlie

    I suspect that what may happen in the future, in the true tradition of Microsoft's forward-thrusting enhancement policy, is that they will buy Apple! Or maybe they will get Intel to buy the hardware, and they will buy the software...!
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    Re: The ultimate virus protection.

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