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    Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    I have just "Upgraded" to Win XP Pro and have noticed that my Word 97 templates (ranging in size from from .5 to 2mg) are taking much longer to save if VBA is open (upto 15 seconds). Win 98 saves used to be near instantaneous.

    Anyone had these issues?

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Any chance you've got compression turned on for that folder? Or encryption?

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Good point, I will have a look at that.

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    No compression or encryption turned on.

    Maybe Win XP is just slower.

    Thanks again

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    You didn't mention what your system specs are. If you have installed XP on an older system and not added sufficient RAM memory that could be part of the problem. XP runs well on 256MB but likes 512MB, or more, much better.
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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Doc

    I have 2 systems, older system is AMD XP1800 512 meg RAM, newest system is P4 3.0, 1gig RAM.
    The newer system is faster then the older, but it still takes longer to save and compile then the same machines running Win98 and Word 97.
    Thats progress I spose.

    Thanks

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Dog,

    I found this information here

    Using Word 97 is slow when saving a file
    If the machine has Microsoft Outlook installed the most likely reason is as follows:
    Outlook journaling will track documents as they are closed or saved. On some computers, this may create a noticeable delay during the close or save process. Outlook journaling is enabled by default when Outlook is installed. To disable Outlook journaling, follow these steps:
    Start Microsoft Outlook.
    In Outlook, on the Tools menu, click Options.
    Click the Journaling tab.
    Clear all of the checkboxes in the dialog.

    And this, here.

    Compiling using Word 97 seems slow and seems to need a lot of Disk space
    This is true.
    Although Word 97's support for COM (the method used to squirt content into Word) is comprehensive, it is not as efficient as Word 2000 or XP. Word 97 requires the document to be saved on a regular basis to keep the memory buffers clear and for this reason, it takes CourseManager longer to compile a document. Intermediate document saves in Word, creates a temporary file which is cleared when the final document is saved and closed. As Word 97 needs to save more regularly than Word 2000 or XP, it also requires more disk space.
    Your best bet for speeding things up is to upgrade your installation to Word 2000 or better.

    Hope this is of some help. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Doc, your a champion.

    I will investigate the outlook aspect tonight (even though I use Express)

    The explanations given did not suggest why Wrd 97 running under Win XP would compile slower than Wrd 97 running under Win 98, or have i missed something?

    Once again, thanks
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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Hey Dog,

    Nope, I don't believe you missed anything. The explainations weren't very detailed, but your post mentioned compiling and so did one of the responses to my search. It sounds like you don't actually have to use Outlook to have this happen. Just have it installed and Journaling is activated by default. Let me know how you make out and I'll look around a bit more today and see if there's any more details out there.

    I've always felt that Outlook is too intrusive and minds too much of your business for the average user. If you're not required to for business reasons, I think it's best not to install it with the rest of the Office suite. Just my personal take on that though.
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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Additionally........ look here for more details than you might want. Like.....

    When Word runs out of internal random access memory (RAM), it always creates a single temporary scratch file in the Temp directory to hold information. This scratch file holds information that is swapped out from the Word internal file cache, which is allocated from global system memory. The scratch file varies in size from 64 kilobytes (KB) to 3.5 megabytes (MB). You can prevent Word from having to write to the scratch file by allocating more RAM for Word to use internally.

    The default cachesize in Word is 64 KB.

    For more information about increasing the cachesize in Word, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
    157464 WD97: Where Settings Are Stored in the Registry


    or here for info on how Fast Save might be involved

    Make sure “Allow fast saves” is switched off (under Tools | Options | Save).
    Fast Save (which should really be renamed “Fast Corrupt”!) works by appending changes made since the last save to the end of the file, while retaining all of the original information. The more times it does so, the more tenuous the link becomes between objects (such as paragraphs, tables etc) and their properties (such as formatting and text) until sooner or later the whole thing goes bang and bits of your masterpiece are splattered far and wide. Think burst balloon.
    The larger the document, the more likely the Fast Save feature is to cause a corruption. Don't use it – ever.

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Doc

    I will give the cache boost a go tonight.

    Thanks
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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 SR2b)

    Doc

    I gave the cache a boost, to no avail. I then installed Wrd 2000 (on a Win XP machine) and it still saves templates sloowwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. I noticed that the templates save slowly if VBA is open, it you open a template, without VBA open, then save the template, it saves quickly.

    Darn strange

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 S

    I'm not sure I can solve anything, but I want to see if I understand correctly what is happening. You're saying that your templates save very slowly if you have the VBE (Visual Basic Editor) open when you save. In other Words, you open a template (not a document based on the template), & make some change. Then you go to save that change. Does it have to be a VBA change or any change to the template that causes this behavior? Does it make a difference if you close the VBE & then save the template?

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 S

    Hi Phil

    Your'e understanding of the issue is correct.

    I have tried what you suggested, but once VBE has been opened, and then closed again, it still slows the save. If you then shut word down, then re-open Word then the template, I can change text around on the template (word environment, not VBE) and it saves just fine. As soon as VBE is opened (or opened and shut again), it decides to save slowly.

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    Re: Sloooowwwww save times in W97 on Win XP (W97 S

    First of all, I should tell you that I'm not a VBA expert. But I'm trying to think why this could happen, so I'm thinking out loud about what could narrow down the problem.

    1. Is it possible that there should be a reference to some library that your code is having trouble accessing?
    2. Have you run each of your macros in a template to see if there's some problem with the code?
    3. Can you re-create a template from scratch in Word 2002 without having this problem? This might tell you if the templates somehow got corrupted (although I don't know why ALL of them would be) or if the problem is within XP.
    4. Have you tried running Repair on Word (under the Help menu). Perhaps something is corrupt.
    5. Could a COM or add-in be causing the problem? Start Word from the command line (Start/Run) using the a switch
    winward.exe /a. If the problem goes away, look at the steps in <post#=197827>post 197827</post#>.
    6. When you installed Word, did you install all the necessary components to "run from the computer"?

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