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    needs constant defragging

    My computer is getting slow, and needing to be defragged daily! (C disk)
    I have a 3.2 GB HD partitioned (by Dell) as (about) C: 2.2 GB & D: 1 GB.
    Norton Utilities reports that I have 480 MB of free space on D: & 850 MB of free space on C.
    If I run Norton Utilities Speed Disk (i.e. its defragger) on D, I see about half of it white & half gray, which makes sense because 480/1000 = 1/2.
    But if I run Norton Utilities Speed Disk on C, I see it about 95% gray. [I have watched the gray grow slowly over the years. I.e. it did not happen suddenly due to some blunder.]
    I interpret this [I might be right :-) ] as meaning that somehow my 850 MB of free space on C is inaccessible.
    I guessed that somehow this is because the Registry is screwed up. [I might be right :-) ]
    I had never used anything like RegCleaner, but decided to try. I downloaded MS

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    Re: needs constant defragging

    Well, I can say that unless you are creating/manipulating/copying files for 24hrs non-stop, the most you would ever have to defrag is once every three days or so. Defragging every day is an excercise in futility, if you ask me.. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    There are other steps you can take to 'juice' up your system. Windows 9x is a nutorious packrat. Temp this, Favorites that. To spice up your system, and remove 4 years of junk, it's going to take a while, Locate all the TEMP folders on your computer, and delete thier contents. The key to this is to ensure that you have VERY LITTLE RUNNING while you do it. It's inevitable that some file in C:windowstemp wont be deleteable because it's "In Use" or Read Only, just skip these files and delete the rest. Unfortunately, there's no automated process for this that I'm aware of...

    The locations to check for temp files are as follows:

    C:WINDOWSTEMP
    C:TEMP
    C:TEMPTEMPORARY INTERNET FILES

    You can pretty much delete the entire contents of these folders.

    You can also kill your internet junk by clicking on Tools, Internet Options, and hit Clear History and Delete Temporary Internet Files. The thing to remember is the more you browse, the more disk space is occupied by these files.

    Let us know how it goes, and good luck! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    DrkRealm,
    Thanks!
    ==>Defragging every day is an exercise in futility, if you ask me..
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    OK. I logged into some of my favorite sites & all was well, so I emptied the recycle bins. WOW!! Now Norton Utilities Speed Disk shows C about 50% gray, while Norton Utilities continues to report that I have 850 MB of free space on C! I do not understand why this worked, but manifestly it DID! But still, should I now run MS

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    Re: needs constant defragging

    You can...

    Anything that plays with the registry warrants a backup of the registry first. (You can do this using RegEdit.)

    There was another registry cleaner pointed out to us in Software Finds: <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.wopr.com/cgi-bin/w3t/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=free&Number=16719&page=1&vi ew=collapsed&sb=5>here</A>

    It's a bit taboo for me to suggest it, (that your queue other, chime in! <img src=/S/innocent.gif border=0 alt=innocent width=20 height=20>) but you might consider re-installing your OS and starting from scratch. RegCleaner will take out a few of the keys you haven't used in EONS, but it wont get everything. Personally, I think it's a miracle you've been able to use that thing for four years without requiring a re-install... but then when you're a techie, you like to mess with things that mess up things.. <img src=/S/devil.gif border=0 alt=devil width=15 height=15> anyways, the moral of the story, backup your registry before you do ANYTHING to it.. (Yes, I pulled that moral out of my hat.)

    Hope that helps!
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    Thanks again. I was on the point of buying a totally new system. You saved me big bucks.

    ==>There was another registry cleaner pointed out to us in ==>Software Finds: here
    OK. I

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    Re: needs constant defragging

    Much of what I know about computers and systems resulted in re-installations. It's given me the insight to thier innards I use here everyday. Will it be easy? <img src=/S/nope.gif border=0 alt=nope width=15 height=15> Will you gain from it? <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>

    After you're done re-installing EVERYTHING, your system will run like new, gauranteed.

    As to the registry cleaner, that's all you should have to do.. you might also take a look at this thread, which discusses at length how WinME is a memory hog, and outlines some utilities you can use to correct it.. Namely MSCONFIG.

    If you've got the <img src=/S/money.gif border=0 alt=money width=17 height=15>, you should get another system, Right now, I recommend at least 733mhz w/ 128MB of RAM. It's the 'median' system right now. However, it depends on your computer usage and what you need it for. (I'd love to have the latest and greatest 1500mhz systems... <img src=/S/starstruck.gif border=0 alt=starstruck width=15 height=15>but i'm <img src=/S/broke.gif border=0 alt=broke width=31 height=23>...

    I believe the theory in the computer world is that they have a desk-life of 5-10 years. (Of course, no one keeps the average computer for more than 5 years, as it becomes unproductive to do so...) I'd say that msconfig is your last step... what you do after that... who knows? <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    I just had another thought on this.. could your hard disk be going out?

    The next time Norton tells you to defrag, do the following:

    Click on Start, Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk Defragmenter.

    Select Drive C:

    As the drive is defragmenting, click on Details, then click on the 'legend' button in the lower right hand corner.

    You'll notice on this legend that there is a designation for bad clusters. Watch the defrag process, and see if you can identify any of these clusters.

    What is the maximum capacity of your hard-disk?
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    I noticed that Bill's performance improvement happened when he cleaned out much of the recycle bin. Bill, you may want to consider the following: right click the Recycle Bin icon, Select Properties, Global, and adjust the percentage of hard drive space being used (downwards, presumably!).
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    ==>you might also take a look at this thread,
    ==>... go into MSCONFIG and remove ...
    I think you have solved my problem, so its not necessary.

    ==>If you've got the $
    N O ! :-((

    ==>I just had another thought on this.. could your hard disk be going out?
    ==>The next time Norton tells you to defrag, do the following:
    ==>You'll notice on this legend that there is a designation for bad
    ==>clusters. Watch the defrag process, and see if you can identify
    ==>any of these clusters.
    My disk is fine

    ==>What is the maximum capacity of your hard-disk?
    3.2 GB

    ==>Locate all the TEMP folders on your computer, and delete their contents.
    ==>You can pretty much delete the entire contents of these folders.
    Can I delete the folders too? When I tried, some stuff said:

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    Re: needs constant defragging

    No. It improved after I deleted internet TEMP files. Incidentally my % is 10%. (The default, I suppose.) Is that reasonable?

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    Re: needs constant defragging

    Since that's my setting, it sounds reasonable to me! In IE (5.5 in my case), have you also set Tools, Internet Options, General tab, Temporary Internet Files Amount of Disk Space to Use settings to some reasonable number? On a 6gb drive I have mine at 700 Mb; about 10% of total space, about 20% of used space, in my case, and I don't have significant defrag problems.
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    Re: needs constant defragging

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    Can I delete the folders too? When I tried, some stuff said:
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    Re: needs constant defragging

    ==>When you uninstall software, do you delete it manually,
    Yes.
    ==>or do the Control Panel/Add Remove Programs thing?
    I take it I should I use this in the future?
    ==>I can't understand why Norton is telling you to defrag
    ==>daily if you've got a 3.2 Gig hard disk.
    It is not Read my lips

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