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20031114, 12:26 #1
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Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
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I suspect this is going to be very obvious to some of you, but how on earth does Excel decide that 00:13 added to 00:13 makes 00:00. I have a workbook set up with twelve worksheets each holding a timesheet for one month. They were all set up at the same time with the same formulas and JanOct have worked just fine. I can solve the practical problem by pasting the values to a new sheet using the earlier sheets as templates, but I am curious as to how this kind of thing happens.
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Lucy

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
How did you get negative time values? As far as I know, Excel can only handle nonnegative times.

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
The cell is formatted as hh:mm under the Custom option. This allows us to calculate flexitime credited and debited. (See values below)
I can try sending you a sample, if that would help.
DATE IN OUT IN OUT HOURS LEAVE DAILY +/ HOURS +VE VE NOTES
1st 08:30 12:51 13:37 17:00 07:44 0:32 03:33
2nd 10:00 12:40 02:40 4:32 00:59 Flexi pm

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
Oops, that's why I should have used preview, isn't it? Hope the lack of tabulation doesn't make the info unintelligible.
Sorry, Lucy

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
I still don't understand how you get 4:32 and 00:59. If I enter something like that in Excel, I either get an error message or it is interpreted as text. And what do they mean?

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
If you use the 1904 time system (tools options  calculation), excel will accept negative times and dates.
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
I don't understand the question. Excel can subtract 2 seemingly identical numbers and get "0" it depends on the rounding and the rounding errors.
If you change to a different format display you will see that you have a tiny negative number so you have a negative difference, (that is the undisplayed figures of "00:13" are larger than the undisplayed figures of "00:13"
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
And I thought this was going to be straightforward <img src=/S/sorry.gif border=0 alt=sorry width=15 height=15>
The problem is this:
Until recently 'adding' the contents of two cells, eg 00:13 + 00:13 would have produced 00:00; now it produces 00:00.
The reason that this is a problem is because adding 00:00 to the contents of the next cell down the worksheet produces the 'wrong' answer, whereas adding 00:00 to the contents of the next cell down produces the 'right' answer.
In practice the errant minus sign means that someone who is in debit by 13 minutes on Day 1 of the month, works an extra 13 minutes on Day 2, and an extra 33 minutes on Day 3 will show a debit balance of 23 hours and 27 minutes (23:27), when they should show a credit balance of thirty three minutes (00:33).
This seems incredibly longwinded, I'm sorry I don't have the techy language or understanding required to explain it more clearly.
Lucy

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
The only way that adding 0:00 to 0:33 will give 23:27 is if the 0:13 has an extra DAY onto it than the 0:13.
In that case the 0:00 is actually the number 1 (= 24 hrs) whihc is why the "debit" is so large.
Format the cells to general. I would wage that your "0:00" is 1. Which means that your "0:13" is actually "1.009027" where your "0:13" is only "0.009027"
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
Thanks, I didn't know that. I never use the 1904 system.

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
Neither do I. It is just one of those "tricks/techniques" I heard about at some time.
Steve

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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
Instead of formatting these cells as hh:mm, try using [hh]:mm (with the brackets around the hh). This will display elapsed time, which should show you when one of the values is greater than 24 hours.
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
The 1900 date system is due to Lotus 123, which MS took over for compatibility. The 1904 date system is in fact the correct system (which is used on the Mac).
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
I'm curious, how can the 1904 start date be "the correct system" and the 1900 one be wrong? Are they not just different but arbitrary starting points?
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Re: Getting a negative '00:00' (2002)
The 1900 is wrong since there is a Feb 29, 1900. 1900 is not a leap year since it is a century and not divisible by 400.
All the "serialnumbers" before Mar 1, 1900 are "incorrect"
Steve