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    Windows updates? (XP home)

    bought a new hp with xp home. In setting up, I am wondering if I should do the automatic windows updates. I have had mixed results in the past. Any suggestions? This is my first experience with xp and with Woody's Lounge. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank You

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    Unless you plan to regularly maintain your system with manual visits to the Windows Update website, it's probably a good idea. You have equal chances of getting a munged-up patches from either source. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    Thanks for the help.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    My preference is not to use it. Mark described them both very well, and to me Windows Update is one of the more buggy components of XP I perceive as a Beta not fixed that Windows XP released. Any of these Post Links below will help with either. I would use the:

    Microsoft Security Site

    to locate them including its search. I would get notification of all the hotfixes through

    MS Security Notification Service

    They will email you a few days or more in advance. You can always wait to hear some buzz about an update for a week or two before installing if you like. You can uninstall most except for rare ones and they will tell you before if you can't.

    I save considerable time by not using Windows Update. I don't every go to the link unless I'm helping someone else with one of its many many glitches. It is a systemically broken, somewhat crippled component of Windows. They start Beta Testing a new remake for the next OS Longhorn very soon and have already sent out invites. Supposedly it will consolidate the 8 platforms MS uses to update. As to new versions of say WMP--go to the site once in a while or the Lounge will tell you and also you can use CNET news or a site like that. I have some links to help you with both:

    Links on the MS Security Site:

    Post 295646: Glitches Winupdate and Security Hotfixes--Mini FAQ to Make it Easy

    Post 294528 Links on Security Site

    Post 288653: Collection of Security and Windows Update Links

    Post 301175: How Where Hotfixes are Listed in Registry if Not in Add/Remove; Hotfix Installation Guide

    Links on Windows Update

    Post 290842: Multiple Microsoft Security and Windows Update Reference Links

    Post 295892 Win Update

    Windows Update versus Windows Update Catalogue

    What To Do When Windows Update is Unavailable

    Post 315279: How to Restore Windows Update When Corrupted or Lost or Uninstalled

    Post 294528 Win Update Links

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    SMBP, While there are some problems with Windows Update on the whole it is a good idea. You do NOT get notification of all hotfixes through the MS security notification service. Only security related fixes. There are many other hardware and software related patches released that are not security related but are still important depending on your hardware and software confguration. I for one have never had a problem with Windows update at home or work. I think it can be equally as counter productive to have to determine which fixes are required searching through the update catalog. That can require a knowledge level that many users neither have nor want.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    I have thought that through carefully Joe and if you look statistically or percent of update wise, I bet we can both find a list in 5 minutes of all the updates for Windows 98 through XP, Office XP and MOS 2003 Direct X, Win Media components, IE, OE correct me if I'm wrong but going over them in the high 90's % of updates are security and all the critical ones are security. That leaves Direct X, Win Media, Office, and Drivers.

    Updates to Office are covered by the fairly but not perfectly accurate scanner on its site, and I have linked the Office 2000 and XP chronological update hyperlink lists by at least twice in the last two months--they're easy to find. That leaves Direct X--9, 9a, 9b lately and Win Media--from 8 to 9 since the XP Betas, drivers, and some optional components to movie maker or what have you because any of the security updates for Win Media are covered by the security site.

    Let me count the sites that update drivers and efficiently with all the latest and context them. Hundreds. It takes two google clicks.

    It saves me a substantial amount of time never to look at Win Update and I've gone all out to find every possible Win Update help site and troubleshooting KB I can--and when their is a specific problem I try to provide that KB.

    I believe it is systemically flawed and broken, and MS has volunteered this at the last TS2 and Tech Net meetings they held in these parts with the promise they are going to overhall it--V5 or whatever and do something about eight platforms for updating and consolidate them into one sometimes between now and Longhorn--Beta invites went out last a week ago Thursday.

    If it were that you had x amount of updates, and a substantial percent were actually not covered by the Security site then I would agree with you there. By my count Joe, only a very few are not. Newbies that I know that I have given the security site to, including a number of seniors, find it easy to use and easy to update with and they don't have the cascade of glitches. Their is one lounge period from August through September or thereabouts when Windows Update problems were every other XP or Windows thread.

    Server updates are covered either by the Security site, or people in an IT enterprise or small business environment have many other options--SUS and QfeCheck Hotfix Tools to name only a couple.

    Lets take updates that help with a particularly functionality--a small niche update for some aspect of Windows--then anyone can look at the Update catalogue or do a scan--and get them that way.

    Try this poll--take 10 experienced users who use WinUpdate, or SUS, HotfixNetCk, Hotfix Security tools and see if they have the latest two OE hotfixes which happen to be both mixed security and functionality hotfixes--I always link them in Repair IE/OE threads and I'll bet you'll get nine nos.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    SMBP, That is all well and good for the pro or enthusiast. I can say from my experience with my kids, siblings, friends, neighbors and co-workers that most people don't want to do all that nor will they. Most PCs are not updated because it is a giant pain to keep track of all the sites not to mention periodically checking each. One of my original points remains that the technet security site never has had (& i doubt ever will have) all the hotifxes. I believe that automatic updating is the only way to go for the vast majority of users. It may be somewhat painful for some right now but as is the MS history with software is will most likely conitinue to improve. I'm not trying to get into any extended discussion, but I reitereate that most people do not update their PCs now and will not if they have to check all over hell & creation to find fixes.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    I couldn't agree more.

    For the vast majority of normal users even having to manually run Windows Update is a bit too technical.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    Here is one more vote for the Windows Update site.

    People WILL NOT go to several sites to do their updates. Some are even complaining that MS does not have their AV software updates <img src=/S/bwaaah.gif border=0 alt=bwaaah width=123 height=15>

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Windows updates? (XP home)

    I have to agree with you that part of my logic is biased by my enthusiasm for computers and software and you are right. There should be a central seamless, easy place for people to go to the well and draw. I know and you know from their presentations and all you read they are trying to get there. People shouldn't have to look all over--it's a lot like a lot of other maintainance chores that are good for you or your car or your machine--they aren't that interesting, and compliance is going to fall off the more steps you add.

    And while I try to be empathetic to all kinds of users, you are right there--I enjoy going to the different MS sites to see what's up often, a lot of people do, but a lot of people could care less about that. It's one thing to sit down with someone and keep in touch with where they go to get what, but there needs to be a central easy place or platform to use. MS says at their meetintgs that there are currently 8 update platforms, and I'm not sure I could make that list. I do know they are planning to get a beta going soon for the next version of Windows or a more comprehensive and easier to use Microsoft Update and I hope it really works well for everybody.

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