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    BackUp Help ?

    Any suggestions for backup software or is the generic one that comes with Windows98 sufficient ?

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Coinman theere are alot of alternatives out there, but the Windows 98 software is stable and sufficient for most situations. The worst downfall is that it doesn't automatically schedule. So all backups have to be started manually. There are scheduling tools that cvan be added however. My <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    THIS is a huge topic. I don't like the backup that comes with Win98 because you can't span CDs with it. What good is it to have a 13Gig hard drive & be limited to backing up 650MB (remember when HD were on 40MB).

    Anyway, you'll get lots of opinions. I'd get 2--one for regular backup that can restore individual files or more and one that makes an image of your drive.

    I use Veritas Backup Exec 4.2 (they probably have later versions). They made the Win98 backup, but that's a lite version. It generally works very well. I either back up to CDs or to another hard drive. One of it's main competitors is Danz Retrospect.

    I also use & recommend Drive Image. You can get it at <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.powerquest.com>http://www.powerquest.com</A>. It's other competitor is Ghost. Basically, I hear good things from people who use either one.

    Finally, there are some who advocate using xcopy. There's a great book by Lee, Hudspeth, & Butler called The Unofficial Guide to PCs, which recommends using that method.

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Thanks for the thought Mike !!!!!

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Dear Phil,
    I know you said you use Veritas Backup Exec AND Drive Image. I looked at both and cannot see much difference as a novice. Can you enlighten me ? I think I am looking more for something that will help me restore from a CD-RW when the ultimate disaster occurs. If you make an image of your drive with these products, can't you pick off an individual file that you might need or do you need to do a full restore.

    Thanks for your thoughts ...

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Hi Coinman:

    With Veritas, you can restore an individual file or files. Drive Image is an all or nothing. The difference is that Drive Image Pro 4.0 (I think that's the version), restores from DOS. This is a tremendous advantage because if you've trashed Windows & can't boot to Windows, you can restore the entire set a files exactly. You can also transfer an entire system from 1 computer to another or from 1 hard drive to another.

    Note: Veritas does have an emergency backup (which I've used) where you use your start up disks to get Windows running, & then restore basic files. I feel that both are useful.

    I will say that I preach better than I practice as I haven't used Drive Image in a little over a month. I'm overdue.

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    I've found Power Quest's Drive Image to be easier to use at first glance than Ghost, but that's just my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Is there any difference between a full backup of a hard drive and an image of the same hard drive?

    Am I correct in assuming that a complete backup of my main hard drive will also backup all my system files AND registry settings? In which case the restore operation can be used to restore software as well as data files? Is this correct? Will a restore from an image file do the same: restore both data and software?

    I would also like to know if it is possible to backup individual software without backing the whole drive. In other words if I select a software folder to be backed up, will all registry settings also be backed up and so enable the software to be reinstalled by restoring from the backup?
    After buying Norton Ghost I now find it will not write to my Hewlett Packard CD-RW 8100i.
    Thanks in advance,
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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    John, yes there is. Backup takes a copy of all of the files including those that make up the registry, whereas an image is an exact copy of the hard disk in it's entirety. Restoring from a backup requires Windows to be running and the backup program also, but some image programs include a dos option so that a restore can be done from dos.. As to your 3rd question, to my knowledge there isn't a way of backing a particular folder and it's registry settings.

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Thanks Mike,
    A couple more questions, if I may, following on from your answers.
    I want to protect myself against a disaster hard drive crash where I have to dump the crashed drive and install a new hard drive with all data AND software re-installed. Now, based on what you have told me I understand I have two options:
    Method 1. I create an image file of my existing hard drive. Following a hard drive crash, and after installing the new hard drive, I use the image file running in DOS to re-create my original drive. This will restore everything -Windows, registry, data and programs?

    Method 2. Instead of the above I make a complete backup of my hard drive. However, when the new hard drive is installed I have to format it, install Windows, and then install my backup program. Only then can I use the backup program to re-create my hard drive?

    Both Methods achieve the same result: the re-creation of my hard drive. However, Method 2 (Full backup)is more involved; a complete restore using Method 1 (Image file) will be much faster.
    Have I understood all this correctly?
    My reason for asking all this is that I have installed Norton Ghost intending to be able to create an Image file on a set of CD's. However, I now find that Norton Ghost does not support my CD writer (Hewlett Packard 8100i - or the 8100i doesn't support Ghost, grrr!)- the Ghost program refuses to write to the CD's.
    Thanks again for your help
    John Elliot

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Sorry to butt in mike,

    Yes, you're correct. However...

    When dealing with 'imaging' as a means of backup you must take a few things into consideration. You mentioned CD's, so I felt I should caution you.

    A good imaging package will have an option to restore from DOS. The problem you'll most likely run into is finding a driver for DOS to support your CD-R. I doubt there is one in existance today, although I could be wrong.

    When the dreaded day comes, you'll have to be prepared completely. As you will rely on your ROM drive to restore your files, you have to ensure that the method you're using to write them will be compatible while reading the disc from DOS. (some methods of CD burning require special tools, which may not be available in DOS...)

    The first step I would take is to go to <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.bootdisk.com>www.bootdisk.com</A> and find a disk that will grant you access to your hard-disk, and CD-rom drive. From there, you may consider visiting Norton's site to see if they've offered support for your CD-R... <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> it's possible! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    Hope that helps!
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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    Quite right Drk, the other issue is size. Imaging is normally carried out to a hard disk, and with disk sizes getting bigger and bigger, I'm not sure whether it can be spanned across a number of cds.

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15> so true...

    If you want a truely versatile image, you *could* uninstall all of your applications, leaving only the OS and minimimal installations...(to fit on One CD.)

    a good ghosting package can Span CD's, but I wouldn't do it because of reliability factors. The fact of the matter is, CD's are destroyable media, exposed media. Hard-disks are much more sensitive, but generally people use common sense when storing a hard-drive, (key work generally) <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    My recommendation then, coincides with Mike's. Find an old hard disk, or buy a new one. If you put a price on your data, i'm sure it will be well worth the investment.
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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    To MikeB and DrkRealm,
    Thanks for for your advice and suggestions. I hadn't realised the matter had so many potential pitfalls.

    I have now used Hewlett Packard Simple Backup to make a image/full backup of my hard drive. They don't use the word "image" in the online manual but they claim you can completely restore a hard drive, so I guess it is a disk image (?). The program spans CD's and provides for booting from a CD, (well that is what the manual says). However, from your warnings, I take it that I should not necessarily expect the spanning to work ;-). I make separate regular backups of my data so if the spanned image does not restore I can individually restore all my software (perish the thought!) and will still have my data safely backed up.
    BTW are these problems removed by using a tape backup or are there still likely to be problems spanning if more than one tape is required?
    Finally, is there any way of making a disk image or full backup of a laptop hard drive which has no CD burner? How do you people backup your laptops: data only? or have you also some means of making a disk image?
    Thanks again for your help,
    John

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    Re: BackUp Help ?

    John, I don't have a laptop - unfortunately - but I guess it comes down to communication methods. Do you have a network or some other means of "talking" to another machine?? If yes then the backup could be to that machine and maybe from there to a tape or similar. Many people only backup data as they have install cds for programs.
    Tape backups are fine generally, although like anything the media wears out after a while and needs to be replaced. The advantage can be that there are drives that handle a considerable amount of data these days. I use 2.0gb compressed, so in theory I am backing 4.0gb of data. If necessary tapes can be spanned quite happily. <img src=/S/cool.gif border=0 alt=cool width=15 height=15>

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