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    NTVDM errors

    I'm running an MN 700 series network base station, with an MN 730 wireless connection.

    Upon default install, the software places an icon in the startup group with the following target:
    C:WINNTInstaller{638547C2-2ABA-46F4-AE28-85FF6E83CB54}_18be6784.exe, which starts up the MSBNTray

    When I located the actual program, the command is:
    C:Program FilesMicrosoft Broadband NetworkingMSBNTray.exe.

    When the former loads, I always (inevitably) get an error on startup with the NTVDM process (virtual dos for older apps?).

    At that point, I have to completely remove the software, the network card and re-install both... or

    I can just erase all progs on my drive (NTVD*.*) that relate, and remove the startup item.

    I called MS bout this... they say it's a 2000/NT issue... paid service call of course.

    My question was and is, do I need this tray item at all, seeing as how I can still connect to the internet? Cause if I don't, and I can just remove it, then I will. If I DO need it, for what? Seeing as how all apparently runs anyway?

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    This is a tray icon for accessing your wireless hardware? I would bet you could get by just fine without it. Try it and see. If you are not using any of the features that the icon provides, you will not miss it!
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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Mark:

    It appears so (as in right now...)... so what ARE/IS the file(s)? MSBBand support is free (imagine?!), but I couldn't seem to get a coherent answer to that simple question either.

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Chuck--

    I don't know exactly what your error message says which might help. For speed I'm just going to link you to the search in the MSKB on Windows 2000:

    NTVDM Error Search MSKB

    Google Search NTVDM Error

    Not much precision here in my search, but you know what the error says, and can possibly choose the best link.

    SMBP

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    SMBP:

    Two things:

    I *know* more info would have been helpful, but I am reluctant to try and repeat the error in order to read the exact..., anhd since I dropped the ball in my haste and did not write it down...

    Part of the Google search however, referenced older command.com / cmd file(s)... and upon a search I find multiple (more than one) dates on both files... so might this cause the problem?

    In addition, it would still be nice knowing if the d--- file(s) are really needed, but that answer seems evasive. No doubt to protect MS and the need to know premise for the actual download.

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    I would have given you more had I understood the circumstances better--that was part of my own problem in helping, and the other was that there are a lot of searches referncing problems and troubleshooting with different backdrops that cause the problem. Can you get anything from Event Viewer "eventvsr.msc" in the run box--if that will show on your 2000 machine--if it doesn't let me know-- that gives you the error without the understandable hassle reproducing it might incur Chuck?

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Chuck, which files, exactly, are you asking about? You cannot delete COMMAND or CMD from your system, they are core parts of Windows.
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    Re: NTVDM errors

    SMBP / Mark:

    Mark, it's the MS BBand files that load at startup that are in question here, surely not command.com or cmd.exe. I don't even want to think of the problems that could cause.

    SMBP, it's the NTVD files that load (?) on startup that seem to be the reaction to the problem.

    I think conflicting versions of cmd.exe and command.com could well have been the cause. That would also account for why the errors come out of nowhere.... Sure would be nice to know the necessity of the files in question though.

    Anyway, for the moment, the problem is subsided.

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    OK, I had to clarify because I was getting <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20>. I think now I understand, it is a Microsoft utility that is loading...yes?

    If you want to pursue it further, let's do some discovery! Only you will know if it is time to leave well enough alone. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Edited by WyllyWylly to add POST tag. See the markup help. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    Mark:

    I spose I could (should?) "leave well enough alone", but curiosity has long been my strongest friend and simultaneous demon... In addition, after all this, I *KNOW* that the next time it happens, I'm goona be "very upset", so...

    If you look back at my <post#=322026>post 322026</post#>, you'll see that command string(s) of question. The related question(s) is:

    Is this load at all necessary, and why the "strange" command-line for the first of the two listed "choices"?

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    If you want to hunt the cause down, set a restore point, and be prepared to go through the pain again. You would need to find the error message so it could be researched. Your curiosity will determine the outcome of that one!

    Is it necessary? That depends on whether or not you use it. A quick glance at the documentation tells that it provides status, firmware updates, and a few other options. Nothing crucial IMHO, just a "convenience." Were it me, I would kill it from starting up. I have a hatred of nearly useless processes running from the days of DOS and Windows 3.x and I tend to kill anything that is not providing me with functionality that I cannot live without.
    -Mark

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Mark:

    I agree with "...a hatred of nearly useless processes running...". I guess my "only" problem here is by not understanding the purpose of such, in sits like this, the question always comes up "What the h--- is this needed for? Nothing? Then why is it loaded -- no, installed -- in the first place? Are the powers that be making some sort of brash assumption about my equipment or config, or are they just trying to CTA, and in their haste causing more problems than they are preventing?"

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    It's common for software to install a tray icon for easy access to the program. What is not good is that you are usually not given the option to forgo the little tray utilities, and you wind up with 16 zillion running by the clock.

    Why is it loaded/installed? For convenience, because the developer(s) thought that you might like it. I don't think it is any more evil than that, just a courtesy that goes too far. ZThus, it is up to you as the user to determine its usefulness individually and deal with it from there.

    And yes....sometimes, it causes more problems than it solves!
    -Mark

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    Re: NTVDM errors

    Mark:

    Yea, I guess... just thank God for WOPR, or I'd still be running around in circles...

    Regards,
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