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    Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    While I'm well aware of the program start up config on the taskbar and how to enabledisable progs on startup, I was curious if anyone knew just how XP determines the ORDER of startup of these things and if there was a way to customize the actual ORDER in which they are loaded on boot?
    It seems to be almost a random order, but I would like to change the order in which the programs sequentially load? For example, I would like my AV, firewall and other programs start up before my DSL connection comes on line.

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by bigaldoc on 26-Dec-03 16:12. To add a link.)</P>I can't tell you the background of where I got these apps, but I'm sure some or all came from mentions here in the Lounge. I have in my software downloaded directory at least three items that I've not used. One is called StarterSetup.Zip; another is Start Delay.Exe and the third is Startup Delayer.Exe. This might give you something to Google on. I can't swear that I didn't use liberties in naming the files when I downloaded them and even the one in a Zip file contains an EXE so there's no ReadMe files for me to look at to see where in the [censored[ I got them from.

    Edited to add: Take a look here, down where the names that start with S are.

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    I cannot recall where I found this, but here is how it is determined in Windows XP (this applies to Windows 2000 and NT also):
    1. <LI>BootExecute
      (HKLMSYSTEMCurrentControlSetControlSession ManagerBootExecute)
      <LI>Services

      User logs in to the system

      <LI>UserInit
      (HKLMSOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogonUserInit)
      <LI>Shell
      (HKLMSOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogonShell)
      <LI>All Users, RunOnce
      (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrent VersionRunOnce)
      <LI>All Users, Run
      (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrent VersionRun)
      <LI>All Users, RunOnceEx
      (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrent VersionRunOnceEx)
      <LI>All Users, RunEx
      (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrent VersionRunEx)
      <LI>Current User, RunOnce
      (HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionRunOnce)
      <LI>Current User, Run
      (HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionRun)
      <LI>Current User, RunOnceEx
      (HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionRunOnceEx)
      <LI>Current User, RunEx
      (HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionRunEx)
      <LI>Common Startup Folder
      <LI>User Startup Folder
    Most firewalls start as a service and should be online well before you authenticate with your ISP. Ditto the AV programs.
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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Appreciate the info Mark--I wonder where you got that--and the startup programs from Al. I wonder, Bob, what you're trying to accomplish--I know there is a good reason you want to group the order of things in sequence, I'm just trying to learn what you're doing here.

    I found this:

    Regrun 3.9: Specify an order of the startup programs

    <A target="_blank" HREF="http://www.jsiinc.com/suba/tip0100/rh0165.htm">JSI FAQ Tips: 0165

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Bob--

    In addition to the ideas I had in the post above, I found this and feel sure the 2000 portion would apply to the 2000 modification called XP:

    270035: How to Modify the List of Programs that Run When You Start Windows

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    I saw that but I didn't understand the need. Some people shut their compter down and some never do. But if you're on Cable, DSL, or any form of broadband connection, why not just pull the plug out of the back of the modem when you're finished using it, and turn the PC on and plug in the back of the modem after those two are up and running?

    The JSI suggestion to use a batch file and the registry edits if you could set values correctly seem to be a way to do this. Reg run 3.9 seems a way to get this done. What'd you thinnk of that?

    I linked everything and try to give credit to a source pretty scrupulously and completely. The regedits are not only in the MSKBs I linked, they are in virtually every XP book I own and nearly every other search engine hit when you search "control startup order XP." They are virtually ubiquitous, Editing boot.ini whether it would work for this is universally known and ubiquitous as well. I can't think of anything there that comes from one specific source that isn't well known universally that wasn't linked. The more you read the more you can incorporate keys to go to and if a site mentions a registry key and other information and you suggest the key but don't know the values what is there specific to site? I can often find a key that might be the place but knowing what to do with the value is the difficult thing.

    Occasionally it seems appropriate to link a KB and quote a sentence and literally any second I do this (I see it done in the Lounge all the time) someone posts rule whatever about copyright from a 3rd party--like Microsoft. All over MSN's NG--a network sponsered by Microsoft and running on their server farm, and other boards and groups on the web people from Microsoft quote from their KB's and other places and name their source all the time. No one gets copyright reactive there. That's done to emphasize a key sentence that may solve the problem. It's the only reason I ever do it--and I do site the source.

    I've been fussed at for saying Joe Blow wrote this, here's the link, and here's the key sentence and I can show you when and where.

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Bob stated his reason, or at least one, for controlling startup order.
    <hr>I would like my AV, firewall and other programs start up before my DSL connection comes on line<hr>
    The BOOT.INI has nothing to do with this request, its purpose is to provide a boot menu and options for the operating system that it loads.

    Your note on services is simply a registry editing method for something that can be controlled through the Services applet in the Administrative Tools section of the Control Panel.

    And please, when you find information elsewhere on the web, make sure that you a) credit the source and [img]/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif[/img] provide a link to it, even if you reproduce some of the text it contains.
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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    RegRun to me seems like just another startup manager, not so different from X-Setup or any number of other startup managers around, it just has a single purpose in life.

    Why not just pull the cable? I can answer that with a question of my own. Why should you need to, with proper protection? If absolutel security is what you want, then you need to avoid the Internet and all other networks. Pulling the cable can also cause problems with some ISPs, because your DHCP lease will need to be renewed and not all of them handle it automagically.
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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    <hr>And please, when you find information elsewhere on the web, make sure that you a) credit the source and [img]/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif[/img] provide a link to it, even if you reproduce some of the text it contains<hr>

    posted by the same guy, in the same thread, as this:

    <hr>I cannot recall where I found this, but here is how it is determined in Windows XP (this applies to Windows 2000 and NT also):<hr>

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Dah, I saw that when I followed the link. My information was saved in a text file, which I never include source for. I think it was originally MSDN where that came from. If you would also be so kind as to note, I also stated "I don't recall where this originally came from." I never claimed it was the result of my own research. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    It's used as a troubleshooting "flush the modem" move with Comcast--but I know we're talking about a large number of providers whose means of delivery and equipment differ even in the same area let alone the country or many countries so pulling the connection from the back may have a different result in a different set up.

    I'd be interested to know if you or Bob finds a way to do this and I agree you shouldn't have to have any go arounds. Some people on a broad band connection pull the connection from the back of their modem when they're off--I don't. I just rely on definitions and a firewall and I'm sure it may not be enough and with the blend of Trojans and viruses and worms and other threats it may be only a matter of time.

    What caught my eye with reg run was it's advertisement to specify an order and to "move items between startup sections" which I thought might work out but I didn't test it or dig into it enough to know. I never thought about a startup order before and there are a lot of things that startup and run in the background and I wonder if it's possible to alter some of these Windows services and besides the ones that are displayed in Task Manager names I've never heard of that run in the background. I found a couple MSDN articles that looked related, but I couldn't handle even a fraction of the terminology to know if they had any real relationship.

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Mike Lin's Startup Control Panel allows you to move items between sections, as does X-Setup. RegRun seems to cover more bases than either of these, but I think it's overkill. My experience has always been that the more you tweak needlessly, the more problems you create.

    Yes, MSDN has a way with words. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> That is why software developers are such a strange breed!
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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Just want to show you what I couldn't metabolize. This one is pretty straight forward from Technet:

    Order of events in startup and logon

    But

    Order of Processing Settings is another thing as is

    Query_Service_Config

    and

    Interactive Services

    I was looking at them because they were in the same google list and thought before I couldn't interpret them they might be promising because of the way Google contexted them.

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Hey Bob, aren't you glad you asked what I'd bet you hoped was a "simple" question? Put on your waders and plunge right on in - the water's deep!

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    Re: Startup Load Order (WinXp SP1 Home)

    Mark

    To add to your list way up towards the top of the thread, from the "Webber Trojan":

    HKLMSoftwareMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersionShellSer viceObjectDelayLoadWeb Event Logger

    Meaning, presumably, anything under the ShellServiceObjectDelayLoad key...

    No idea where it appears in the order you give...
    There appears to be a number of other possibilities, which were discussed in a fascinating thread involving Merijn many months ago on a different board...

    "Startup Order" is by no means as simple as you make out...!!
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