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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    Unless your friend is on a MAC, they should have a HOSTS file. <UL><LI>WinXP: c:winntsystem32driversetc or c:windowssystem32driversetc <LI>Win2K: c:winntsystem32driversetc<LI>Win9x : c:windows[/list]If the file is not in such a directory, there will be a file called HOSTS.SAM. In that case, make a copy and rename it to HOSTS (without any extension). Make sure that your friends Folder options settings in Control Panel include Show Hidden Files and Folders and do not include the Hide Extensions For Known File Types options. HTH
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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    RG--

    I am going to add a little detail to Unk's post and say up front Unk and many has a much more thorough understanding of the way the hosts notepad modification gets you to the Lounge but I got here. I am going to post the method that my Lounge friend Mr. hlewton used and the handy application he used in doing this, because I think it was more seamless than mine and make sure you can find the hosts folder even if the way I tell you is less than articulate.

    I want to make this clear: XP Search is well known to be erratic. I can steer you to many Longhorn developer blogs like this one Intelligent Searching in Longhorn who are ecstatic that they think the file system and search for the next big flavor of Windows will dramatrically improve as to storage, organizational architecture and search but if you take different XP machines and search for "hosts" on the C Drive you are not going to get it much of the time. I use Show in Groups: Great XP Feature to search on an XP box and I can search faster using it than friends can using XP Search.

    1) Go to the WindowsSystem32DriverEtchosts
    2) Click hosts and if you don't have Mr. Lewton's handy little FMView you're going to get a "What Do You Want to Open this file with" dialogue box scroll down and pick Notepad. That will give you the Notepad needed to do the edit.

    Hlewton's Method for Reaching the Lounge After the Server Migration:

    My HOSTS file was actually in

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    My ISP (AT&T) must still have a few backwater DNS servers that have not gotten the new IP address - sometimes I get the "don't know" screen and sometimes I don't - all depends on how I'm routed through the net <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> - but when I do get in the SEARCH is back <img src=/S/clapping.gif border=0 alt=clapping width=19 height=23>
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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    I'm the person "RJ" did the inquiry for. As should be very obvious, I made it in finally. What I suspect is that exactly what you proposed, re: DNS resolution hasn't been 100% yet. This is born out by the fact, that if I used the raw IP, then I could at least get to the Login Page. But thereafter, when the domain was used in the URL, I was automatically returned to the migration page. Out of curiosity and expressing my tenacity to resolve such seeming inexplicable anomalies, I tried again to access the Board and all worked as it should.

    BTW, I never altered my HOST file, either. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    Welcome back!
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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    I understand that in time it would not be necessary to alter the hosts file but when it was for me could it be that some ISPs' server configurations require a different formatting or adding the sufix and others don't because the simple paste didn't work for me and it might have been just time that did. I'm asking because I want to understand how the file works and what the ones that had to override had to override.

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    SMBP,

    The hosts file is used to translate host names to IP addresses.
    A DNS server is also used to translate host names to IP addresses.
    These two mechanisms are almost completely independent.

    When windows needs to translate a host name to an IP address there are a few different places that it can look, and there is an order in which it checks each of these places.

    I am not absolutely sure of the order but it is something like...

    1. <LI>Cached translation on the local PC (you've visited this site already since you rebooted)
      <LI>Entries in your hosts file
      <LI>Entries in your LMHOSTS file (used with NetBEUI stuff - probably irrelevant here)
      <LI>Ask a DNS Server to translate the name
      <LI>probably other LAN Manager / NetBEUI stuff that I have forgotten
    So when you add the entry to your hosts file you can access the correct site, even though your ISP has an incorrect - out of date - entry on their DNS server.

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    I NEVER altered my HOSTS file on either my work or home machines and I got back into the Lounge within a day. Sometimes a little patience is also a solution. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    Thanks for the sequence and terms Stuart. Is the time it takes a DNS server to update but limited by the amount of traffic, subscribers, distance and other variables? Is the updating automatic?

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    Unfortunately, there's no way to tell how long DNS takes to replicate. Katie works for a financial place here in Jersey and she still can't see it. I saw it instantly, (DNS server is here).
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    Login Problems- Please HELP

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by KTWolfman on 05-Jan-04 19:32. made that screen shot smaller...whew.)</P>Can you please help? A friend is <img src=/S/confused.gif border=0 alt=confused width=15 height=20> unable to login, and e-mailed me the following:

    "Well, no go! I deleted all cookies I could find for wopr.com, closed down Outpost, cleared TIF and History in IE, and still get the moving notification page. Maybe I'm stupid and the answer is right in front of me, but I can't see it. hahaha

    Here's a screenshot of what I get when I try to access Woody's Lounge.

    Perhaps you could post something on the appropriate forum there about my inability to access the Boards? And, just in case they should ask, I don't use a HOST file"

    Thank you,

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    See this link to get more background: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns3/chapter/ch02.html. The last section, "Time to Live," explains why the Lounge's old IP address is so durably impressed upon ISP caches around the Internet. The wopr.com host name had a very long TTL. Because DNS is configured by humans who have discretion to make choices about such things, some providers flushed the old information more quickly. Others will take time to clear.

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    Re: Login Problems- Please HELP

    Thanks to both of you--the perspective helps and Jefferson thanks for the link to the O'Reilly book chapter. This is a harder area for me because of the terminology.

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