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    Using iPod with PC

    My son bought me a 10GB iPod for Christmas. It is advertised as working with a PC but it really does not. It did not come with any connector to attach to my PC. I went to CompUSA to buy a connector and they had one for $20 but they said that it would only connect to the docking station and my iPod did not come with a docking station.

    A docking station was going to cost an additional $40. The clerk then pointed out that the cable requires USB 2.0 and my computer has USB 1.1 so he said I was going to have to buy a card to upgrade my computer to USB 2.0. However, my computer does not have any free slots and the total was getting way too high just to make a miss-advertised MP3 player work.

    I did not buy the cable or docking station and I am not going to buy a new computer just to get USB 2.0. Should I just take the iPod back or was the CompUSA clerk trying to sell me stuff I don
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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    I can't speak to the docking station, but as for the USB 2.0 card, it is not needed, as the 2.0 standard is backward compatible with the 1.1 standard. The only diffence to the end user of notice is the speed, but even then, I don't see a difference that I'm concerned about.
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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    I bought the 5 gb version when it first came out. (I own a MaC) BUT since I bought it, a bunch of my friends bought it. They best way to use it with a pc is to get a firewire card. They're 20-30 dollars and its well worth the speed dfference. Yes, USB 2.0 is backward compatible, but the speed is unbareable. I can upload 800 mp3's over firewire between my ibook and my ipod in under 10 minutes.
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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    I Pod for Windows System Requirements from the Apple Site

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    To use iPod prior to version 2.0, your computer must meet the following system requirements:
    PC with built-in FireWire or Windows-certified FireWire card
    Windows Me
    Windows 2000
    Windows XP Home or Professional
    MusicMatch Jukebox Plus (included on the CD)

    To use iPod 2.0 - 2.0.2, your computer must meet the following system requirements:
    A Windows PC with 300 MHz or higher processor speed
    96 MB RAM (128 MB for Windows XP)
    A built-in or Windows-certified FireWire card (IEEE 1394), or a built-in or Windows-certified USB 2.0 card and the optional iPod Dock Connector to USB 2.0 + FireWire Cable. For more information about compatible FireWire and USB cards and iPod cables, see the iPod website (http://www.apple.com/ipod/).
    MUSICMATCH Jukebox 7.5 (included on the CD) or later
    Windows Me (FireWire only), Windows 2000, or Windows XP Home or Professional

    To use iPod 2.1, your computer must meet the following system requirements:
    A PC with built-in FireWire or USB 2.0 or a Windows-certified FireWire or USB 2.0 card.
    Windows 2000 or XP (Windows ME is not supported with iPod 2.1 or later).
    iTunes for Windows 4.1 or later (MusicMatch is not supported with iPod 2.1 or later).

    Note: iPod Software 2.0 and its features are only compatible with iPod (with Dock Connector) models.<hr>

    Looks like Apple is requiring either FireWire or USB 2.0. If it's an I-Pod 2 and it does actually work with USB 1.1, the USB to Dock Connector cable is only $19 at Apple.

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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    Not having a free slot, this is not an option for me. Anyway, once a CD collection is loaded onto an ipod, I can't imagine needing to transfer files on any sort of regular basis so speed is not really an issue. If it would connect, I could let it transfer files all night if that were required.

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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    The box says the ipod works with a PC but it does not, at least not out-of-the-box. It sounds to me like deceptive advertising or perhaps bait-and-switch.

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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    Your point is taken thoroughly - although for years Apple products didn't work with PCs by definition. Perhaps this is the 21st century update on something shipping without batteries? <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    Not too sure about the new Ipods BUT I know that the firewire port on my Ipod is also the port that I plugin to re-charge it. Unfortunately, the ipod battery will not last all nite. With firewire, (at least on the mac) as l0ng as its plugged into the mac, its charging as its transferring the data. Just something to keep in mind.
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    UPDATE: Using iPod with PC

    There is an Apple store about 20 miles from my house so I drove out there today and ask them about this. I told them that the box said it was PC compatible but it would not connect to my PC. The ass of a clerk said "the box says it is PC compatible, not compatible with your PC."

    Anyway, they said that the cable would connect directly to the iPod without the docking station and that it was USB 1.1 compatible. I did not try it out however, because they said it would not work with any version of Windows other than 2000 or XP and I'm running ME. I'm taking it back to Best Buys tonight and getting a HD based MP3 player that REALLY works with a PC.

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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    Have since been through this loop in some detail - having acquired one of the larger iPod 2.0s. The fundamental issue is that "PC Compatible" = Windows Hardware Compatibility List. Any old FireWire card/port isn't necessarily going to cut it. That aside, it's really great. The one glitch is that it only recharges automatically when it's plugged into a Mac. Otherwise, as far as I can tell, transferring files onto it is quite a drain.
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    Re: UPDATE: Using iPod with PC

    Ronny,
    I am really sorry that your apple experience was less than satisfactory. As soon as the iPod was released (for Mac only) there was a lot of push to have it available for the PC as well. Jobs and Co. resisted, for a while, before they released a version that would work on some PCs. Of course they did not make it compatable with all versions of the Windows OS and, despite what you say, USB1.1 doesn't really cut it. It would take you many hours to fill a 10GB iPod. Even downloading one song would take forever, because iTunes compares its songs to the iPods and this cross checking would take a long long time. MP3 files are big.

    In my view, for what its worth, Apple is not trying to 'bait and switch' anybody. They want everyone to use the products and they want their products to work. Just like other software and hardware developers they did not design their products to work with all permitations of Microsofts' operating system and all platforms (keep in mind almost all (99.765%) of Mac platforms are built by Apple).

    I know its no consolation but iTunes and the iPod won't work with all versions of the Mac OS. Only the last versions of the pre-unix (OS 9.2) and the later versions of OS X (Puma, Jaguar and Panther) support it. There are quite a few Mac-aholics that are unhappy too.

    I hope you have found a MP3 player that works well with your Hardware and OS. For those of you running 2000 or XP - I can't recommend a better MP3 player, or interface than iTunes/iPod.

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    Re: Using iPod with PC

    <font color=red>Any old FireWire card/port isn't necessarily going to cut it. </font color=red>
    With WinXP, however, if you enable Universal Plug and Play - which may well be turned off be default - then you may have no problems. The setting is in Control Panel|Add/Remove Programs|Add/Remove Windows Components. OTOH enabling Universal Plug and Play can be argued to be a security issue.
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    Re: UPDATE: Using iPod with PC

    More freezes with Belkin f5u222 in xp home, hppavillion 5495 trying to attach IPOD to the card. Cannot get it to work though in file manager I can see the IPOD recognized but when trying to install ITUNES it freezes. The Pod will work off the slow 1.0 usb on the machine in the back. I have been on help lines with HP for two weeks with all kinds of advice. Have uninstalled and installed everything we can think of. They think it is the card or the machine? Used another ALI Sabrent card with the same problems. Wanted the speed of 2.0 and power for my music file exchanges. Downloaded a new driver from Belkin . About to give up and live with slow speed until I return to my desktop. Never worked so hard a problem with lots of help and no results.

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    Re: UPDATE: Using iPod with PC

    Is this IPOD USB 1 or 2 type?

    If USB 1 then that is ALL you will get. I have found several USB 1 devices that will not work with a USB 2 interface. They can be found by the PC but no data movement.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: UPDATE: Using iPod with PC

    The Ipod is usb 2 type the new HP IPOD 20 g . When I plug it in to the laptop outlet in my HP in back it works slowly but gives an error message that I should use USB 2.0 for reliabillity and speed. Adding the Belking pcmia card and trying one other, Sabent, was to address this problem. Neither card works and freezes XP or doesnot recognmize the POD.

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