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    Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    If you are going to be a firstime user of a Mozilla browser which one and version would you use? There seems to be a choice between Mozilla and Mozilla Firebird as the two most frequently used, and although the 1.8% o people who are Mozilla users seem fiercely devoted to it, and favor it, I hear any version takes considerable resources--is that true? Also are there any problems with running IE6SP1 and Mozilla at the same time or on the same machine?

    Also there are many Troubleshooting Guides/Plug-Ins/Add-Ins (probably good ones in this section) for Mozilla, and if you could suggest 2 or 3 of your favorites I'd appreciate it.

    Do the email clients come with the respective browsers?

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    In principle "Mozilla" and Mozilla Firebird are the same thing.

    "Mozilla" is a suite including:<UL><LI>a browser - stand-alone version Mozilla Firebird;<LI>a mail client - stand-alone version Mozilla Thunderbird;<LI>an HTML editor;<LI>a Calendar; and<LI>an IRC Chat Client[/list]Having all that in one application does consume a fair amount of resources. Generally, most people are better off simply having only Firebird and Thunderbird - the browser and the mail client. That would appear to apply to you also.

    There is no problem whatsoever in running both Mozilla and IE on the same machine. Mozilla enforces W3C standards for web pages more strictly than IE. THere are occasional pages that will only render properly in IE - such as the Microsoft Knowledge Base. There is, however, an extension to Mozilla (sort of like a plug-in) that - on a right-click - will render a current web-page in IE. In view of that, you should not experience any significant drawbacks if you made either the browser or the mail client your default application.

    Tabbed browsing is native to Mozilla. For more details on the browser try here, and for more details on the mail client try here.

    Best version? Get the latest: Firebird 0.7 and Thunderbird 0.4 - starting here
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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Thanks. The orientation is a definite time saver. Is there any particular "plug-in" or program you wouldn't be without in getting those two and is the HTML editor for the email client?

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Well, unkamunka said it as superbly as it can be said! I would comment however, that I'm still using Mozilla 1.5 and don't find it to be a resource hog at all. My typical view of Task Manager shows (always) single digit CPU use and about 70 meg memory, which NEVER gets in the way of anything I try to do. I do think that separating the browser and mail software as they have done with Firebird and Thunderbird is a tremendous step forward. I'd encourage you to try them out. Forget about HTML editing and IM chatting. That's an entirely different ball game and should have always been separated. Mozilla and IE DO co-exist nicely and I frequently have both running when I need to.

    Great words, unkamunka.

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Both great help. If it had compromised resources you would have done something about it long ago. Thanks.

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    >Is there any particular "plug-in"
    Plug-In = Extension. There are 100-200 (or so) to choose from - including virtually anything for the browser. The ones I have are:<UL><LI>Tab-Browser Extensions - delivering a wide range of choices for Tabbed Browsing<LI>IE View - which gives a right-click switch to open a page in IE (when it may not render correctly)<LI>Go-Up - which delivers a shortcut to cycle up web directories <LI>Pop-up ALT - which delivers mouse-over text for images[/list]Extensions are available for the mail client as well. I do not use any.

    There is also a wide range of themes/skins to choose from.

    >is the HTML editor for the email client?
    If you mean, is there a native HTML editor for e-mail? The answer is "Yes". Otherwise, I don't understand the question.
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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Have just recently installed Mozilla 1.5 and am not totally familiar with it. I can't find Emails I have sent that were normally in my Sent File when using N/S. I can't find a button to click to send them to the Sent File. Also, I don't have much use for several features, : Chat, Calendar, browser. If I were to go to Firefox(Firebird) for their Email features should I REMOVE Mozilla before downloading Firefox and will it automatically transfer address books and mail files?? Thanx mucho!

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    It's been so long since I installed Moz on a Netscape machine, I don't remember if Mozilla "should" ask about using your Netscape user profile or not. First try this. Make sure Mozilla is closed. Click Start and then Run. In the command box put: mozilla -p (that's a space between the mozilla and the hyphen p). When the Mozilla profile manager window opens, see if it lists two profiles - one for Netscape and one for Mozilla. If it does, you might be able to just run the Netscape profile to see your mail.

    As for the way I've always done it - manually copying my mail folders from the Netscape profile directory to the Mozilla profile directory. It'll be up to you to FIND those two directories on your hard drive. I can't remember what OS you're using, but in XP the profiles are usually in the Documents and Settings folder for the logged on user.

    In the mail folder, you don't need the files with suffixes at the end of the filename. The only ones needed from Netscape are the files WITHOUT extensions, such as Inbox, Trash, Sent and so on. All you have to do is copy those files from the Netscape mail folder to the Mozilla mail folder and you should be all set. You might also have to copy the bookmarks across. As for your address book, I think you have to go into Netscape, open the address book and EXPORT the address book to a file first. Then in Mozilla, open address book and IMPORT the file you just created. Sounds like a lot of trouble, I know, but it's a one-time job and I hope you'll find it worth the trouble.

    As for the Firefox question, I'll let someone else answer, since I haven't made the switch yet.
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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Firefox is the name of the browser only component. Thunderbird is the name of the email component. You can run each of them without having to uninstall Mozilla.

    When you set up your Mail Accounts in Mozilla (or Thunderbird), you get a choice of where to file your Sent Mail. (If your Mail Account is already in place, look for it under your Mail Accont Settings.) Your Sent Mail is put there automatically. To move it to another folder, you will need to right-click on it and choose Move or drag and drop it to another folder.

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    <blockquote><hr>Pop-up ALT - which delivers mouse-over text for images<hr></blockquote> Is this plug-in/extension for Firefox or Mozilla? If it works for Mozilla 1.6, where can I get it? I find it disconcerting that Mozilla does not display the Alt text on a mouseover, just the Title tag. Woody's forums don't have Title tags on images, so I have to guess what the little graphic at the end of a post title means.

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Hi Paul

    If you mean these icons, I get the mouse over text with Firebird 0.6 so you should be able to with Mozilla.
    Unfortunately, I have many extensions installed and don't know which might be providing this capability.

    Have a Great day!!!
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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Sorry, Ken, it's not clear to me what you mean by "these icons". I use Mozilla 1.6, not Firefox/Firebird. Mozilla, unlike the old Netscape, does not display the ALT text as a tool tip when doing a mouse-over. It only displays the TITLE text, if present.

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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Oooops
    Guess I forgot the pic.

    Mozilla is the combined version of the Firbird/Firefox browser and the Thunderbird email client. The browser component of Mozilla is Firebird/Firefox.

    Have a Great day!!!
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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    I hope this is what you are looking for. Toward the bottom of this web page under "Page Display", it lists "Popup Alt Attribute" as an extension to Mozilla. I believe this is what I downloaded to show what the little pics in our lounge say. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>


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    Re: Best Mozilla Version for Newbie (IE6 SP1)

    Hi Ken,

    No, those aren't the icons I refer to. Those icons/graphics work in Mozilla because they have both the ALT and the TITLE attributes, so I get a pop-up tool tip.

    The ones that don't work for me are the icons at the end of the title of a post that indicate it has an attachment, or has been moved etc. Look at the index for this thread. You will see that the title to your last post, the one I am responding to, has a graphic of a picture frame indicating there is an attachment. A mouse-over here does not produce a pop-up tool tip because it has only the ALT attribute.

    Cheers,
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