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    beware the google bar (ie6)

    Last friday i discovered that IE6 could not longer connect to the internet. Mozilla and connectoid connected ok.

    Someone on another board pointed me to a discussion at dslreports.com about the googlebar, and the appearance of hearts around v day. sure enough, I uninstalled the google bar and problem disappeared.

    Not being able to opt out of google's autoupdate, means that they have access to your hard drive, and if problems develop there is no way to determine that it may be their software, since you never know when they are altering it. I spent hours dealing with this, and they continue to insist that their bar is benign. They seem to have some immature/na

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    I read the two threads on BB Reports including Google Can Change My Toolbar.

    Google has been changing the design on their home page to be topical for some time. I can't find any connection between those hearts on the toolbar and interference with internet connectivity with any browser though. From the threads, I can appreciate that pink hearts from Google's Interior Gui Design Department didn't tickle everyone's fancy, but I'm not sure it had any direct effect on internet connectivity by any browser and wasn't able to find anything that indicated this. Like many other add-ons, it can have a corrupt dll. that causes mischief ocassionally for some people, and IE (I don't know about Mozilla) crashes to the desktop.

    I saw the discussions on the EULA and I doubt anyone will prevail in wrestling with Google's legal staff on the aesthetics of the toolbar--I didn't drill it, but I expect they cover it well.

    As to toolbar stability, functionality, and freedom from malware goes, I think the Google bar excels. I've helped a several people uninstall toolbars notorious for unstable BHO's and malware, but Google has never been one.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    smbp, hi there. we meet again.
    i have no doubt that it was the google bar. reading the posts of people having the same problem at the appearance of the hearts and then the specifics of my own situation confirmed it. twice i used goback to restore system. both times ie was working fine. for a while. what apparently happened was that google saw i (twice) had the old bar and updated it. bang. back to not working. no google bar on mozilla or connectoid. they connected ok. then i uninstall googlebar, no reboot, click on ie and it connects. what do you think?

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    We have been using the Google bar for some time on four computers and have NOT had any problems. But we also did NOT get the Hearts around the 14th.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    Software can do anything. I find the Google bar very useful, and haven't seen problems with it or many on the web. I couldn't tell from the site that anyone was having problems with browsing; I did see that some people didn't like the hearts and might have been happier if they had the option to change the hearts that I think were on mine for a couple days but then went away. I can sure understand though, if uninstalling the bar returned things to normal that it may have been a problem for you. I have to wonder if something else beside those hearts was in play for those who had difficulty with the toolbar. Maybe there was something that became part of the toolbar addin for some people that caused a browser problem.

    AYK so many of these toolbars that are thrown at all of us have spyware or BHOs or some kind of malware that causes instability. Google has had the interesting recent problem of people "stacking the deck" to skew searches, particularly with respect to recent political campaigns in this country or to route people to certain sites.

    I would appreciate seeing some of those posts if you can link me. With the caliber of talent at Google, I'd expect them to be quick about finding a causal link.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    No problems with the Google Bar for me . With and without the hearts. You must be one of the lucky ones, if indeed it IS the Google Bar causing your problems.

    The only annoyance problem I have with Google Bar is getting the preferences to stick. I set it to search only English responses and it works OK for a time. ( you have to let it set a new cookie after you change preferences ) Then lo and behold it's back to the default language. ( all )

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    Edited by WyllyWylly to add URL code. See the Quick Guide.[/i] <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    link to post: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,938...de=flat?hilite=
    from here you can see the particular forum and thread, go there to see responses. most of the posts were discussion about liking/not liking the hearts. i thought they were cute till i discovered that they screwed up the system and cost me hours of time. there are a few posts of people having problems. i also came across posts in other places about the same issue.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    Internet Explorer's BHOs cause a lot of grief and most of the time there does not appear to be any legitimate reason for it happening. Yet another reason I favor Mozilla/Firefox over IE. The included Google functionality in that particular browser is non-invasive, being a part of the browser's core functionality instead of an add-on. You also have the capability to add search engines. The only other useful purpose the Google bar serves for me in IE is to block pop-ups, and if the rumour mill is on target this will become a standard part of IE in the next release.

    How do you like your new toolbar add-on in comparison? Does it offer the same or better functionality?
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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    i have compared the results of a google search and vivisimo search a few times. haven't found a big difference. vivisimo also breaks the results into groups with common attributes, which sometimes is useful. one thing that i used alot with the google bar was searching groups. i simply went to the google groups page and dragged the icon to the links bar (which works in ie and mozilla. i tried loading firebird once, but couldn't get it to run, will get back to it sometime). vivisimo also has highlighting of search terms, search site, web, pubmed, news. so far i don't miss the google bar.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    Thanks for sharing your experiences. It's good to know that there is a viable alternative out there. I like Vivisimo's search, but having not used it in some time, I had no idea that there was a toolbar add-on available.

    Also, if you were not aware, there is a new version of Firebird (now called Firefox) out that comes complete with an installer, and seems much better to me in daily use than its predecessor. As a once dedicated IE user, I have found the transition quite painless.
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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    Bob--I have had trouble making the Google bar show links in a new window. Even though I always check it--it seems to have a mind of its own with this setting sticking when it wants to off and on for me, and when you're searching out a problem it's nice to keep clicking links and put the windows in a pile to sort out. Something must be interacting to upset the setting.

    Squares--Thanks on vivismo. I never heard of it--I'll give it a try. I go to google a lot honestly probably because Google has so much respect and it's kind of become a media darling/business model. I must say though the books Google Hacks and Learn Google have nifty search tips and tricks, and searches engines like froogle.google.com seem worthwhile and the Google Zeitgeist is always fun. How could so many people be interested in a hotel in Paris <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>?

    Mark--Thanks. Hearing that you much prefer Mozilla and the new Firefox is just that much more incentive to try it finally. I saw free file IZArk to unzip Firebird . Must not be needed with Firefox.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    I have long followed Google and am reading the two hacks books--you can go to a multiplicity of interesting google sites by just drilling their home page including sites that will do unit conversions. I don't understand what you fear from Google "auto upadate." Can you document any malware or spyware or instability conferring properties?

    I imagine since they probably have a few million emails a month or more they didn't ready your email at all--that was probably a canned server answer. I understand the principle about software updating without letting you know and googled all the indignant blogs on google auto update. I doubt the bell shaped curve of power users who deploy updates from Microsoft including a large percentage of IT Sys Ads/CTO's or "IT gurus" reads every MS security bulletin or KB associated with their parade of updates before deploying them into the small business or enterprise or letting SUS 2.0 or SMS do it. I doubt many could pass a pop quiz on the Technet details of each hotfix.

    What's the big problem with auto update from a google toobar? I think the canned message meant "it's probably corrupted--boot it and get a new one."

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    smbp: autoupdate means that the software phones home, and if there is an update it downloads and installs if, without any notification to the user. plus, their response, quoted in my previous post acknowledges "instability conferring properties".

    the problem, as i mentioned a couple of times, has not to do with google, but autoupdate. if something is being secretly modified on my computer, and it screws things up, fixing it is a lot more difficult if you don't know that the modification took place, and when.

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    The problem with auto updates from Google is the same as the problem with auto updates from Microsoft or any other vendor. It's impossible for the vendor to test in every environment, so problems for some people are inevitable. Mistakes happen. Some users and organizations prefer not to have updates installed automatically, and instead to test them on another system first. Choose your preference; the point is that you should have a choice!

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    Re: beware the google bar (ie6)

    I know what autoupdate is. Google's autoupdates are hardly a secret. Their arent' that many and they have been analyzed to death on google sites. They are very open about when they moved to another update for that toolbar, it's just the automaticity that seems to bother you.

    As to "screws things up," any of us needs more solid info than that. Why and how is it documented that Google toolbar screws things up? I haven't seen anything except that some folks didin't like the pink hearts. I have read up on the toolbar on Google and Google afficianado sites. All I have read suggest that other 3rd party add-ins don't play well with the toolbar. This is quite true of IE as well.

    Google Toolbar FAQ

    As to when the modification takes place, all you have to do is go to google or any of the google afficianado sites and they will tell you clearly when Google plans an update of the toolbar--or you can just choose not to use it. I'd still like to see a comprehensive link to instability caused by that toolbar, although I appreciate that Mark is quite correct that unstable BHOs and addins can cause problems we may never quite link or decipher. I just doubt the GTB per se did it to you. Toolbar plus your other addins--absolutely.

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