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    NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Any experiences with the subject critters?

    See http://www.notetab.com/.

    See http://www.chami.com/html-kit/.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Howard,

    For what it's worth on Notetab: I had downloaded 3 Notepad replacements several years ago - Notetab, Editpad, and xxx (don't remember). I gave each a bit of a whirl. Decided to go with Editpad but I recall Notetab was pretty good too. As I recall, Notetab and Editpad were pretty close to each other as far as my "scoring" went but Editpad was a little better. Don't recall the diffs.

    Some features of Editpad:
    - allows multiple files open at the same time (tabs for each file)
    - file length had no limits (or was much bigger than Notepad)
    - it's file menu had a Reopen which tracked last 15 files opened (and I use this a lot)
    - has a Convert menu for various conversions (eg, to all UPPERCASE)
    - has a good find/replace (better than Notepad)

    The version I'm using is V3.2.1 which has a copyright of 1997. I know I've seen email, probably even in this lounge, on newer versions. If you want, I'll see about digging up the source altho I'm sure it's easily obtainable thru a search.

    Fred

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I too tried literally dozens of "Notepad" replacements, including "Notetab". But I finally went with Editpad Pro. I've been using it for years and it only gets better with each update. The latest version is now 5.2.1. Support for the product is also excellent, at least it was the very few times I've had to contact them. I use it mainly for Perl and PHP scripts although I use it to open and edit all my .txt files and ascii type files. On rare occasions I have done some HTML projects with it too. The "color schemes" are simply great as well as so many of the other default options. See here: http://www.editpadpro.com/. There's also a free version called "Editpad Lite". There is a link for that also on that same page.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I've used NoteTab Lite for several years, but only because I wanted a replacement for the (then) Notepad, back at Win98 level. Because of that, I don't really use it to its fullest capability, such as the libraries. I occasionally will make a quick edit to an HTML file and use some small amount of its library code. One of the libraries gives pretty quick access to utilities such as the Windows calculator or character map and I go in there once in awhile. Like EditPad, it has some pretty good features like case conversion and so on. As with other users, the only things I was looking for is a simple editor that would handle multiple files, large files and be <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    There's a couple of people at work who use the free version of Notetab and like it. I think they like being able to have multiple files open simultaneously. Can't say more because I don't use it.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I probably should clarify what I am after.

    I was looking for a product that incorporated a more recent version of HTML Tidy, whicjh is now maintaind by http://tidy.sourceforge.net/.

    Notepad seems to tie itself to whatever version of HTML Tidy you have installed.
    Alas, thelas supported free standing version of HTML Tidy was done almost 4 yewars ago, now enhancements are only in a DLL.library.

    HTML-Kit might have a more recent versionm of Tidy, but so far, I've not figured out how to edit other than raw HTML.

    Previously, I used FRont Page, put MSFT did not include FRont Page in the Office packa=ges, so, on my multiboot system, I end up rebooting t another system that has Odffice XP with FRont Page. A nuisance, but I'll be damned if I going to buy a separate Front Page for Office 2003. Oh well, I'm likely damned anyway, but still will not buy a separate Front Page for Office 2003.

    I've tried the free Web Matrix from MSFT, but it really is buggy and screws up valid HTML.

    Word puts tooo much crap in HTML to be useful.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    FWIW,

    HTML-Kit does a great job at letting you edit Raw HTML, and with all its plug-ins you can make short work of tedious tasks. There's much crap put in by Dreamweaver as well as FrontPage, Word, etc. Dreamweaver seems to choke quite consistently with FInd and Replace on Tags or Tag attributes. I find Tidy rather helpful in it, though it seems to choke if you use the WYSIWYG editor in HTML-Kit called Prototype pad. Not sure why a programmer wouldn't mind editing raw HTML, and the Active Preview window can be placed next to the editor window.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I'm using Build 292 and you'll find it in Actions --> Tools --> Prototype Pad. See http://www.chami.com/html-kit/faq/pa...otype_pad.html for more information. It's also worth noting I downloaded about 20 plug-ins for HTML-Kit after installing Build 292, and I use it over Dreamweaver. I like what Tidy does for me, found in Actions --> Tools --> Tidy, many of the choices found in its submenu are helpful, like change all tags and attributes to lowercase, or Indent Tags/Beautify.

    Further checking appears to show that Prototype pad is new to HTML-Kit build 292.

    FWIW,

    TG

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Hi Jeff:
    I'm curious. Did you ever try Metapad. If so, how did it compare to Editpad. I admit I only tried 1 or 2 replacements for Notepad, but I've been happy with it. Nevertheless, I'm always looking for the "best". <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I'm not sure what build I had tried, since I had already deleted the downloaded files.

    Since "Prototype" pad is first in 292, I expect that "Prototype" means that it will be enhanced.

    A difficultly is that one has to be connected to the internet to use Help.
    The install did not include the Help.

    Not sure which plugins I'd need.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    I do not need an editor to edit raw HTML, I've doing that for years.

    For the simplistic HTML to which I restrict myself, raw HTML suffices for most tasks, however, being able to edit the actual document has advantages.

    I do not recall finding "Prototype pad".
    Guess I'll need tp re-install HTML-KIt and try to find the critter.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Sorry I rambled a little.
    I meant I found around 20 plug-ins so useful I downloaded them. Prototype pad is already included with Build 292.

    I'm interested in writing my own plug-ins.

    It is a bother having to be connected to get help, but you can use the instructions at http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/docs...es/h000109.html to get the help to work offline.

    FWIW

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Thanx.

    The instructions at http://www.chami.com/html-kit/support/docs...es/h000109.html seem to be only for help about HTML itself.
    I was looking for help about the program itsself.

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    You can find a user manual created by Paul Strickberger. He has it in Web page and PDF format, and if you search like crazy Chami's site mentions it. Here's the link, as it took some poking around to find: http://www.primeimpression.com/htmlkit/kitmain.html and the PDF link is: http://www.primeimpression.com/htmlkit/kitpdf.pdf

    Of course I figure the best way to use the software is to look into the menus and see what happens.

    HTML-Kit has changed my view of freeware, and is my editor of choice now. Don't get me wrong it can crash, it has some issues, but I can get Dreamweaver and FrontPage to crash consistently.

    FWIW

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    Re: NoteTab and HTML Kit

    Are Paul's manuals official, or is just something he did om his own?

    The WORST way to use software is to look into menus and see what happens.

    Free software, of reasonable quality, likely wil crash no more than non-free softare, the key issues incl;ude:

    1. Availability of support.
    2. Change control.
    3. Life/retirement of product.

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