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    Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both?

    Win98, IE 6.0 SP1, 256K, 8GB
    I am planning to replace my NSW Y2003 with Pc-cillin. I had previously had problems with NSW Y2004 and uninstalled, but the uninstall evidently wasn't enough to correct the system problems caused. I will be going through a detailed uninstall of both NSW Y2003 and Y2004 before installing Pc-cillin.
    My question is:
    My previous inquiries about what to use to replace NSW has caused me to look at the Pc-cillin/Kerio Personal Firewall combination. But looking at the features of Pc-cillin makes me wonder if I need any additional Firewall. Another firewall consideration is Outpost Firewall Pro.
    I wrote Kerio and asked them whether they had anything to offer in addition to what Pc-cillin had to offer, and they didn't know!
    I have received no response from TrendMicro re Pc-cillin yet.
    Does anyone know whether the Y2004 version of Pc-cillin is enough of a firewall to eliminate the need for additional protection? I use my computer for everything and am on the Internet a fair amount - enough to need some good protection.

    Does anyone know if it might be a good thing to get a Firewall in addition to what Pc-cillin offers?
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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Being a belt-and-suspenders kinda guy, I use the free Zone Alarm along with PC-cillin 2003. I just renewed my license for another year, but it's still the 2003 product. I haven't even taken the time to read about the 2004 version but I wouldn't feel "comfortable" without a firewall and virus protection as well. What always makes me nervous is when the software vendors start bulking up their product to ADD stuff that will help them beat the competition. Not only are you and I at risk with a weak new feature, but we also (possibly) suffer the consequences of system bloating. I don't know that any of that is the case with TrendMicro. I've been more than well pleased with PC-cillin and its non-intrusive operation. But I also wouldn't be without my firewall software and router/switch.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Thank you for that quick response. Good thoughts that I will follow. I have used Zone Alarm before - both the free and the purchased. The purchased caused a weird system problem, but maybe if I just stick to the free version I can stay away from the problem. I wonder if any residual ZoneAlarm is on my system - enough to perhaps mess up a new install on it.
    I wonder if the Y2003 version of Pc-cillin is available - I'll check.
    Now that you were together enough to mention it, I agree - too new. I don't want to work out their bugs, and I also think that software needs to do one thing really well.
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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    I don't mean to accidently talk you out of your idea to use something besides ZA and Kerio (as well as others) have been favorably commented on here in The Lounge. Please be aware that more than one person says he has had significant problems with ZA and even on that basis, I'm thinking of switching to another product. Be careful out there. I also don't know whether TrendMicro will still sell you the 2003 version. What you really should check is whether you can turn off their firewall if you buy the 2004 product and use a separate firewall.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Really appreciate that input - since my experience with ZA was the same, then, I will stick to some others. I will contact Pc-cillin about turning off their firewall, as well as any problems that they know about with either Kerio or Outpost.
    Hope they answer this one, they haven't answered the other one I sent.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Julia,
    Just to add to the confusion, you might want to consider Sygate Personal Firewall. This link is for the free version. They also have a paid Pro version. I use the free version. Works well with little impact on my system.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Sygate is an excellent product. A final point: if you are a habitual and extensive browser/surfer, you might also want to consider anti-Trojan protection.
    Gre

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Hi unkamunka:
    Two questions. I looked on the Sygate website, but they don't mention stealth mode. Does the firewall put you in stealth mode? Secondly, if it's working correctly, why would you also need anti-trojan protection?
    Thanks in advance,

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    The term "stealth mode" actually came from using the free online scan that Norton provides on its website. I operate from behind a router - which acts as a hardware firewall (inbound protection). This is probably essential for me - as a broadband user.

    I also have both Windows Explorer and IE in "ask" mode on Sygate (outbound protection). Additionally, I heavily limit online use of IE - basically only using it for the Microsoft Knowledge Base.

    This probably makes for a far more restrictive setup than most. I probably do not need a permanent Anti-Trojan. Trojans are far more insidious and are still probably back in the "early development" stage that viruses were a number of years ago. If my IE and/or hardware use changed, I would say I needed a permanent Anti-Trojan.

    HTH
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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Hi unkamunka:
    I'm not behind a router & currently use the free version of Zone Alarm. But it's starting to give me problems lately, forcing me to reboot a few times/day. BUT, it does keep me in stealth mode & if I use a different firewall, I'd like to keep it that way. Not sure if Sygate will do that.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Not clear how you're defining "stealth mode" counselor! <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    ZA drove me <img src=/S/nuts.gif border=0 alt=nuts width=15 height=15> very quickly, and I switched to Tiny (now Kerio) ASAP. For me, Sygate is better than Tiny was.

    If you have a yardstick that you'd like me to check for you using Sygate, I would be happy to do so.
    Gre

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    I've gone to Gibson's site & used the ShieldsUp to test my firewall. It said that all my ports were operating in stealth mode, meaning that an attacker can't even tell if I have a computer. Could you tell me what results Sygate would get?
    Thanks,

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Some further background: I also have bits of developer software installed on my machine. This means that I have a few ports open within my internal network. Sygate can block these using Tools|Advanced Rules|Add|Ports and Protocols|TCP - if I wanted to use my main laptop workstation on a standalone basis. HTH
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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Phil,
    "forcing me to reboot a few times/day" what makes you think that Zonalarm is causing the problems?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Pc-cillin & KerioPersonal Firewall - Need both

    Hi Dave:
    I was unclear when I said "forcing me to reboot". What happens is that I try to connect to the Internet. A web page comes up (in any browser I use) & says (paraphrasing) that Zone Alarm has shut down the system because something has turned off ZA (it's me or I do a ScanDisk) which is similar to a hacker. I have to delete all the Internet Logs & reboot to get rid of the message. That's what I meant about forcing. This started about 4 months ago.

    I could have sworn that I posted a question about it at the time, but I can't seem to find it. <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15>
    Edited by Phil Rabichow
    Just found it. It's <post#=313020>post 313020</post#>

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