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    Annoying blank page at end

    If you've been breathing, you've met that situation where you have a blank page at the end of your document, and if you forget about it, you get a blank sheet of paper each time you print. Or you put just enough sheets in your printer and it runs out of paper.

    I just solved *one* part of the problem - for me.

    I have a document whose last chunk of information is a table that takes up what ought to be the last page. After the table comes - that annoying blank page!

    I found that by going to the paragraph mark at the end of the table and turning OFF "page break before" that the blank page went away!


    I dare say there are variations on this theme ....

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Why would you ever have "page break before" on for an empty paragraph anyway? (This sounds like this is your "default".)

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Good question.

    Aberrations of this kind arise from many sources. Bear in mind that Word insists of having the last paragraph ("That's SO like a word-processor!!!"), and sometimes when I delete text, I'm going to delete not-the-paragraph that I thought.

    Maybe I did a ctrl-shift-end and got rid of a Pagebreakbefore, but maybe I did a Ctrl-end and then selected up.

    Who knows? In one sense it doesn't matter. Over the years I've had lots of users tug at my sleeve with this problem. I've fixed it without really knowing HOW they got into the mess. I guess with today's discovery, next time it happens I'll know to examine the last paragraph, and if I find Pagebreakbefore, I'll be able to show them, so that next time they'll look for it themselves.

    What interests me know is that I seem to have discovered one sure cause of the problem - and hence a solution.



    Again, I agree with you. pagebreakbefore on a last paragraph is somewhat meaningless.

    Unless maybe you're a lawyer.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    I am currently working on a document that reminded me of what you experienced.

    The document is two pages long. The second page consists of only a paragraph mark. Delete that paragraph mark and the document is one page long.

    Keep the paragarph mark and when you do a print preview, it shows two pages--second one blank.

    Since we almost never (I train to never use it, but who knows...) use Page Break Before, I was curious if it magically appeared. I checked the last paragraph (the one on page 2), and the feature was not turned on. The only thing on the Line and Page Breaks tab that was checked was Widow/Orphan.

    This is with W97SR2 (which I believe is what you are working on).

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Hi Lawrence,

    <<Since we almost never (I train to never use it, but who knows...) use Page Break Before>>

    As a trainer myself, I train users to use the Page Break Before and Pagination options in Format/Paragraph instead of manual page breaks.

    There are several reasons, but the primary reason for Page Break Before instead of a manual page break is that a manual page break holds formatting that can "bleed" to the previous page,(Press <Shift F1> to Reveal Formats and click on a manual page break) and a manual page break is similar to an empty paragraph.

    As an example:
    Add a Shading format to any paragraph and add a manual page break before the paragraph.

    Switch to Print Preview, take a look at the previous page and you will see that the shading appears on the page where the page break falls. If you use Page Break Before this doesn't happen.

    I have also had a TOC end up with blank entries due to manual page breaks. Not to mention if one moves to the bottom of a page that contains a manual page break and adds information to the document they can pickup the formatting of the manual page break.
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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    > The only thing on the Line and Page Breaks tab that was checked was Widow/Orphan


    Right. I was tempted in my original post to mention these, but I'd found JUST the pagebreakbefore, so I let it go at that.

    I daresay there could be a catalogue of triggers.

    I sure wish I had a million dollars for each instance of the blank-page thing I've seen

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Thanks, BAM, for that information. I have experienced those problems, but I have never known how to "fix" them. I especially never thought Page Break Before would fix them.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    No "Kelly" has posted in this thread.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Hi Lawrence,

    Just glad to share what I have learned with others. :-)

    Long before I knew about styles and proper formatting techniques I created many large documents, most had several pages that contained an empty paragraph formatted to 1pt at the top in an effort to circumvent the manual page break problem.

    You could imagine the look on my face when I learned differently. LOL
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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    > I train users to use the Page Break Before and Pagination options in Format/Paragraph


    ... and, of course, in Paragraph Styles.

    Me too. I hate manual page beraks.

    I took Kellie's comment to mean "Why a page break on the LAST paragraph", which sure would be idiotic if I'd placed it there on purpose.


    Although it does lead to an interesting concept of what "Keep with next" might mean on the last paragraph. Suppose you could attach a meaning that the paragraph had to find another document and chain to THAT, and that document's last paragraph had keep with next .....

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Oh yeah? Check out 34143. (hah hah)

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Hi Chris:

    I always find a blank page if the document has a table at the end that goes down to the bottom margin...and that's true without Page Break Before. I've always gotten rid of it either by extending the margin on the last page or by selecting the paragraph mark & formatting it as hidden.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    Hmmm. Hidden. Good tip.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    One other way could be to set the Line Spacing of the last paragraph to Exactly 1 point.

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    Re: Annoying blank page at end

    BAM
    Thank you, thank you, thank you for explaining this 'feature' of manual page breaks. <img src=/S/joy.gif border=0 alt=joy width=23 height=23>
    It was not a problem I found irritating enough to make a posting but it has affected quite a few of my documents. I got round it by adding a blank para at the start of the new page (yeah I know but you have to get over the problem somehow).
    And then I find the answer reading about someone else's problem. Just like that.
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