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    XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home SP1 ver. 2002)

    I was hoping that you guys could possibly explain something VERY weird that has happened to my machine. I've got a full version of Windows XP Home Edition Version 2002 Service Pack 1. My machine is a custom build and the guy that built is installed the OEM version of XP home which I have installation disc for that says in fact it's XP home ed. Anyway, I was in MSConfig in Boot.ini in there it states my O.S. as Windows XP Media Center Edition/fastdetect!! On my System Properties general tab it says my O.S. is Windows XP Home Edition SP1 version 2002. Then in System Properties/Advanced/ Startup and Recovery it says once again that my default O.S. is Windows XP Media Center Edition/fastdetect!! Can you possibly tell me what this means?? The guy that built my machine installed XP Home Edition as well as the Bois stuff. Since then I've installed all the app. software as well as the Critical Windows Updates and MOST of the recommended updates except for those that don't apply to my application.

    When I saw this really bothered/worried me because I haven't any idea how it got on my machine. In your honest opinion do you think this is a problem? Any drivers I've installed I've used the one listed for XP Home Edition which has worked fine. Do you have any idea why part of my machine thinks it's XP Home and the other part thinks it's Windows XP Media Center Edition/fastdetect?? Is there some way I can remove this Media Center crap or would that require a full reinstall?? If so, I'll let it go because the machine is working pretty darn good right now. I'd really appreciate any light you can shed on this for me and once again thanks for helping this beginner computer person out once again! Thanks so much to anybody that can help me........

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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home SP1 ver. 2002)

    Is it possible that both systems are installed on your machine? System Properties/Advanced......etc. uses the Boot.ini file to report that Media Center is installed. In the Boot.ini section of MSConfig, click on [Check All Boot Paths].
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home SP1 ver. 2002)

    John, thanks very much for the reply. I have searched every place I know to see if I can find whether Windows XP Media Center Edition is in any other boot path or system information anywhere. System Properties and MS Config Boot.ini is the only two places I can see it. The thing I'd like to know is where it came from and what it's doing to my machine. Remember, I purchase a full version of Windows XP Home Edition instead of an upgrade from Win98 to avoid problems. As I found out later this builder of my custom machine was buying OEM installation disc instead of Retail versions. It's always nice to find this stuff out after the fact, eh?

    Even in System Information under System Tools says I have Windows XP Home loaded as my OS. As I said I'd like to know where it came from and what it's doing to my machine. I had my version of XP before SP1 was even out. I downloaded SP1 about a week after I got my new machine. If anyone of you guys/girls could tell me what XP Media Center actually does would be helpful. All I know or could find out is that it's an OS all of it's own supposedly on a specific PC built for it, right? If anyone can shed any light on this I'd really be thankful because I haven't any idea what's going on here or how it got partially loaded onto my PC. Thanks again John and to anyone who can please try and help me.

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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Windows Media Center is simply a program that runs on top of Windows XP. You cannot buy it separately; it only comes on pre-configured Media Center PCs that Microsoft has offered in partnership with OEMs - Hewlett Packard, for example. It adds Tivo-like functionality and other media-specific program features to the base operating system.

    Sounds like you've got a copy of XP of rather dubious origins, or perhaps a hard drive that came out of a Media Center PC which has had XP Home installed over the top of an existing installation. I think it's time to start asking the seller of your system a few pointed questions.
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    A follow-up to my other post:

    You have an entry in your BOOT.INI file that lists Windows Media Center as the operating system. As I noted it really is just Windows XP with some added programs. Thus, all the drivers that work with XP Home work with Media Center - it's the same operating system (XP Pro is a superset of Home's features). You can edit the BOOT.INI file to change the text so it reads "Windows XP Home Edition" instead of Media Center, if it bothers you. Just don't alter the boot path and you should be fine.

    Is it a problem? Doubtful. If the system is working fine, leave well enough alone.
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Thank you for the clarification Mark. I was under the wrong impression that these two were actually different operating systems. That's the beauty of the Lounge - I learn something new almost every time I log on.
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Glad to help! Paul Thurrott wrote an excellent review of this product when it was coming to market, well worth a read if you're interested in exactly what XP MCE is and can do.
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Mark,
    Thanks so much for you very good input! Is it possible or have you seen anywhere that Micorsoft had made any of the Media Center individual components of Media Center available when it first came out as like an Upgrade, Update or trial?? As you say, it's XP Home with stuff added to it, so in view of that I was wondering if MAYBE the guy that built my machine added something from Media Center to my XP Home OS? Is there anyway you can possibly check with Microsoft and see if they ever had a download of some sort of the components for Media Center available?? I'd REALLY appreciate that if there was some way you could fine out from MS as you are a WMVP they might be more willing to share info with you. Would you please try to find this out for me because I truly believe that is what this guy did thinking he was enhancing my OS. I can't get in touch with him as he has skipped town as of a year ago. My Full Version of XP HOME EDITION is just that, but it's an OEM version. If you have a computer business you can buy the OEM version CD instead of the Retail version which is significantly cheaper. I wondered how he sold me a full version for $150!!

    BTW, Nvidia does in fact have two driver downloads for XP Home and Windows XP Media Center Edition. The XP Home Edition driver version number is 53.03 the driver version for Media Center is 53.04. As I said though I've always installed XP Home Edition drivers and apps and haven't had any problems. I'd just love to know if MS did in fact make any of Media Centers stuff downloadable, because as I said I really believe this guy would do something like that if he thought it would enhance the OS. He's the kind of guy that tries to impress people by doing stuff like this.

    If you please try to find out if any of the Media Center components were downloadable as a trial or as an add-on that would really mean a lot to me. Thank you so much once again Mark for your input as well as all the other help you give to this list.........that's pretty darn nice of you and I for one really appreciate that!!

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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Hi Jeff,

    I can confirm for you that none of the Windows Media Center components are available for download, nor are they available in stores. I among others wish that Microsoft would re-think this decision, I would love to run Media Center at home but I refuse to pay top dollar for a pre-built system. The reason that it is not available separately is because of the strict hardware requirements - Microsoft does not want someone to install the software on a PC that cannot handle the demands and have a poor experience.

    OEM copies of the operating system are not sold to small vendors; they are issued to large firms who pay hefty fees. Thus my suspicion that the person who built your computer had pieced it together using parts from other machines. You can get an OEM disc with a system that you buy in the classified ads, and eBay I am sure.

    Insofar as the drivers that Nvidia offers, the only real difference between the 53.03 and 53.04 drivers are support for HDTV formats, which is a part of Media Center's offerings. The latest Nvidia drivers (56.64) incorporate that update.

    It is important to note that Nvidia's graphics cards all use a unified driver. This means that one download updates all of their existing hardware, old and new. Since Media Center is just a program running on top of Windows XP, what really matters is that the graphics card has enough horsepower to handle all the media that you would consume. The graphics cards in Media Center PCs are the same thing that you can buy off the shelf from a local vendor.

    Hope that helps....
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Mark,
    I kind of figured this was a shady deal from the get go. It sure will NEVER happen again I can promise you that. It's sounds to me that this guy got this Installation disc either from his own machine or from someone else machine. However when I registered it with Microsoft it registered just fine with no kick backs or any notification that I had an illegal copy of XP Home. Live and learn I guess, but this has been a pretty bitter experience from the time he built the machine. When I first got my machine back and it was before SP1 was installed it would crash so badly that I'd end up doing a clean re-installing XP 2-3 times a WEEK! When I asked this guy for help and that all I wanted was a reliable machine he told me I'd have to PAY him extra to trouble shoot the software that, that wasn't in the deal!!!

    Needless to say I wasn't about to give this guy anymore of my hard earned cash and it was about that time SP1 was offered by MS that helped lot. Plus all the hassle of that time of getting new drivers that weren't available for old programs yet to get them to run etc., etc. Anyway, that's been long ago now, but you've made it pretty clear Mark that he (the guy) did something to get it on here in my Boot .ini and System Properties. That's the only TWO places I can find any reference to Media Center any place on the machine. At this stage of the game Mark I just want to say a very BIG thank you for all your great help in explaining Media Center to me. I'd sure like to know how I got a OEM XP Home disc that wasn't stolen or something because if it was illegal and was registered with MS before you'd think MS would have kicked my registration wouldn't you?? So after a lot of work "I" got my system working pretty darn nice and taking your good advice I'm just going to use it and leave well enough alone. Just like anybody else though, I don't liked to get hooked or be lied to about anything and I'm sure you understand that.

    Thanks once again Mark for the great help and for all you do for ALL of us on this list!!

    Kind regards,
    JeffT.

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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    Jeff

    From the WinXP newsletter, just received:

    Media Center Edition Tip of the Week

    We've had several readers ask if there's a way they can install XP Media Center Edition (MCE) on their own computer instead of having to buy a system with MCE pre-installed? Well, the answer is "no"
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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

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    Re: XP Home or XP Windows Media Center?? (XP Home

    John, Thank you very much for your reply. I sure don't or never did want MCE on my machine and as I've said many times I do not understand how I got SOME of the components loaded on my machine. I appreciate your info on this so that I have a much better understanding. Thanks again very much and to all of you who have tried to help me figure out what took place here.

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