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    XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Just bought a new computer. Ed Bott (on the Microsoft site) suggests updating both XP and antivirus software by first downloading updates (via the old computer) and then installing them (on the new computer) before going on the Net with the new computer.

    Am I correct in assuming that the Windows updates are (compressed) .exe files? As for Norton Antivirus, I'm spoiled by the automatic ("Live) updates on my old machine. For the new machine, do I download files with entire lists of antivirus signatures, or (as with the Windows updates) .exe files that fix the old lists?

    Thanks in advance for you recommendations.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    While I agree with what Mr. Bott says , in theory, as you can be infected these days just going to the update sites !! I'd be interested to hear how he resolves this issue. MS just recently (Feb. '04) issued a "Security Update CD that supposedly contains all patches and updates for all Windows OS's since Windows 98. Personally I'd call MS and get the CD. The Anti Virus issue is one where I believe you just have to install the software and then go to their live update function to get the necessary updates. I would install a good firewall before going on the internet though !!!

    Safety is always a good habit to get into. Parinoia is a mental illness that one should seek professional help for. In this instance, I'd have to say that Mr. Bott is suffering from the later. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> IMHO of course !!!
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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Yes, they are all .exe files.

    For Windows, read HOW TO: Download Windows updates and drivers from the Windows Update Catalog.

    For Norton, go to Intelligent Updater to download the update file. as far as I know it contains all virus definitions.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Hans,

    I visited both sites you linked to and am somewhat surprised that these updates and virus definitions are available for download without any proof of registration.

    Doesn't this method of updating defeat the need to register to continue to use a product. I'm not sure about Windows Activation, but if I have Norton AV installed and the subscription runs out, using your site, I could continue to update my definitions and not renew the subscription EVER. I'm not saying you're incorrect. Just that it seems like a "shoot-yourself-in-the-foot" way of doing things. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    You could download the Windows updates without having Windows, but it wouldn't do you much good.

    I've never let my subscription to Norton AV run out, so I don't know what happens if you actually try to install the downloaded update file in that situation, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a check for a valid subscription at some point.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    IMHO, more important than getting updates before you connect to the Net is making sure that you have a firewall active - either the XP firewall or a third party. Most in the lounge will recommend a thrid party for the long run. You can do a search to get many opinions. Assuming that you have XP SP-1, ordering the CD from MS (it is free) is best if you don't have a broadband connection. Otherwise you'll spend untold hours downloading updates. I'd update XP and all its components first. Then NAV. You should be able to use NAV's 'Live update' or whatever they call it now.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    My <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> : if you use Office, don't forget to download all SPs (remember - they are separate for Office, Project and Visio) and/or security patches and install them before SAV (NAV).

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Yeah,
    Anything you can get from MS ought to be OK. That is not meant to be a comment about the quality or lack therof in MS code <img src=/S/doh.gif border=0 alt=doh width=15 height=15>. Just a far as not being infected,

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Thanks for the advice. I do have XP SP1. I ordered the update CD for XP (which only has stuff through Oct. 03), but unfortunately it takes up to 28 days to arrive! I considered (using my wife's computer) downloading the various "critical" (security) updates from the Microsoft site, but I wasn't sure which were the most important. Furthermore, it wouldn't let me download anything without logging on as an "administrator", and the instructions for doing so only covered W2000 and XP (that machine has W98 and isn't on a network...I don't remember ever setting a password for admin.)

    The NAV updates, on the other hand, are easier to download on another computer..."Intelligent Updater" lets you download a .exe file (or 4 files, each diskette-sized) that, when installed, replace the entire list of virus definitions.

    Where's the line between being careful and being paranoid? Should I wait for the Windows Update CD before doing anything? If not, should I first install the NAV updates, install automatic "Live Update" from Nortn, and then (on the new computer) download all the Windows critical updates?

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    <hr>Where's the line between being careful and being paranoid? Should I wait for the Windows Update CD before doing anything? If not, should I first...<hr>

    First turn on the firewall, then...

    If you have enabled the firewall then you are very unlikely to get infected if you just visit the Windows Update and NAV Liveupdate web sites. Don't do any other web browsing, mail opening etc. until you have installed all the critical patches.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    In spite of what the site says, I've seen other comments that the CD actually has updates through Feb 04. I've not ordered it, so I can't say for sure. Also I agree with Kaplinkb, turn on the firewall and you should be OK going to Windows Update and NAV live update.

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivirus 2004)

    Just one more vote for a good, solid firewall !! <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivi

    A good, solid firewall that is not made by Zone Labs! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivi

    <center><big> <font color=red>????????????</font color=red> </big></center>
    Nothing has gotten past my copy of Zone Alarm that I am aware of. I know everyone has a personal preference and I've heard some good things about other firewalls (Outpost for one). What are the weeknesses / vulnerabilities you are referring to ??? And what is your preference ???

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    Re: XPand Antivirus Updates (XP Pro; Norton Antivi

    Oh, I'm not saying ZA is any less secure than other firewalls. But my experience has been that it's less than stable. I ranted about it in this thread, read the rest of the thread for more comments from other Loungers. It seems to me that Zone Labs cannot even get their update process right, which is troubling in itself. I also don't care for the busy interface that it has, it seems a little much for my tastes. I was a diehard ZA user for a long time until I just couldn't take it anymore. I will say that ZA seems to work well for many people, but I've had too many problems with it to recommend it to friends or trust it in practice.

    I've been very pleased with Sygate Personal Firewall (I'm using the paid pro version). Never a burp, hiccup, or problem with it, ever, anywhere. It also has better intrusion detection even if the interface isn't as pretty. I did try Outpost some time back, and it was good, but there was a bug in the version I used on broadband connections (since fixed) which is why I looked for something else. When I tried Sygate PFP, I was convinced.
    -Mark

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