Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 23
  1. #1
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Franklin, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    124
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

    Norton/What To Do

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm in the process of ordering a new Dell and am researching the Norton products. The Dell will have XP Home. I've chosen their Norton 90-day free trial version so I can buy a full-featured Norton product for the update. I've been reading some Amazon reviews and other posts here, and am more confused than ever. Frightened would be a good word.

    Reviews say Norton SystemWorks 2004 is awful, don't get it, get SystemWorks 2003. Others say if you're running XP you already have good utilities (similar to GoBack, Ghost, and some others), get another version. If John Gray uses Norton Internet Security 2004, I'm sold. Or do I just get Norton Anti-Virus and pick up the rest somewhere else.

    Is it possible to compile a list of everything one MUST have and SHOULD have, and what is the best of the best?
    Let's say, with XP Home on a P4 Dell, one should:
    Use the XP firewall or not? If it is turned on with the Norton trial version, turn it off when ready to install an update?
    Get Norton ______________ but do or do not use certain parts of it.
    Use XP ___________ instead of Norton ____________.
    Use AdAware and SpyBot.
    And never, never use ZoneAlarm.

    See what I mean? I'm buying everything new and I don't want to screw up (technical term).

    Thanks,
    Kris <img src=/S/dizzy.gif border=0 alt=dizzy width=15 height=15>
    Kris

  2. #2
    Uranium Lounger viking33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    6,308
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Kris,
    To compile a list of the best of the best would, I'm afraid, be next to impossible. Not withstanding the various configurations of hardware and software, you also have the personal choices of many individuals. What is GREAT for one person is garbage to another. So, I suppose the best way is to get a consensus of opinions and deal your own cards.
    MY thoughts are:
    1. I use Norton Systemworks 2003 and think it's fine. No experience with 2004 and don't see any need to update to 2004 at this time. When my Virus definitions expire, I will probable get the new Norton AV and just add it to the Systemworks 2003 Suite.
    2. Forget about the MS XP firewall and get another decent one. ( here is one place where personal opinions clash ) Not about not using the XP firewall, but which one to replace it with. I have used Zone Alarm for years and it was fine until the latest update clashed with the AV progs. I went around and tried about four other replacements, found them not to my liking and finally went back to ZA. ( but used the 4.xxxx version ) Will wait till the bugs are out of Version 5.xxx before upgrading again.
    3. Use both Adaware and SpyBot.
    4. Get a good Imaging program like True Image for your backups, not XP's NTbackup.

    Just some of my opinions but I'm sure you will get other suggestions from other Loungers.
    BOB
    http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/flags/USA.gif http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/f...sachusetts.gif


    Long ago, there was a time when men cursed and beat on the ground with sticks. It was called witchcraft.
    Today it is called golf!

  3. #3
    Uranium Lounger
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    6,684
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Hi Kris,

    The first suggestion I would make here is to go to our fellow lounger Ken's Star Post here and follow the links to the various program downloads. That should get you started.

    XP's built-in firewall is almost useless unless your system has SP-2 installed (I don't think it's out yet). I use Zone Alarm and have no complaints. Others prefer different firewalls. This is mostly a matter of personal taste, ability and style. Pick a quality product that you are comfortable with and that has a record of proven reliability. The same is true of your AV software. I have used Norton since '93 and have not had any problems out of the norm. Others wouldn't install it if it were free for life !!!

    Hope this helps and doesn't add to the confusion. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>
    <IMG SRC=http://www.wopr.com/w3tuserpics/DocWatson_sig.gif>

  4. #4
    Uranium Lounger
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
    Posts
    7,089
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    I'll put in my vote for Norton Systemworks 2004. Garbage? Not to me, it does what it should and it does so nicely. Most of the differences over the 2003 edition are superficial and do not amount to much. I particularly like the One Button Checkup that is part of the suite, no matter which version.

    Norton Internet Security is a great package, although it is one that I do not use. I have been using Sygate Personal Firewall Pro for quite a while now and have no incentive to switch. I have made no secret of my distaste for ZoneAlarm in these forums either.

    Even when XP Service Pack 2 becomes available, I would still avoid the firewall, improved though it is. When SP2 is released the firewall component will be brand new in many respects and in situations like that, I find it better to wait and see what experiences others have before taking the plunge.

    A final note...many of the bundled utilities in Windows XP are watered down or brain-dead versions <img src=/S/newbrain.gif border=0 alt=newbrain width=21 height=22> of full featured software, and function best as stopgap measures until you get something better. As such I could not say "Use the XP version of Product X over a third party offering."

    Hope that helps,
    -Mark

  5. #5
    Uranium Lounger viking33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    6,308
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Mark,
    -------------------------------------------
    XP Service Pack 2 becomes available, I would still avoid the firewall, improved though it is
    ------------------------------------------
    Since MS is offering a trial version of Computer Associates EZ Armor firewall and AV, with it's freebie XP update CD's, doesn't it follow that perhaps they ( MS ) will be offering a watered down version of EZ Armor as it's SP2 replacemant? ( the EZ Armor firewall is a direct Clone of ZA, your favorite!!!! )
    BOB
    http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/flags/USA.gif http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/f...sachusetts.gif


    Long ago, there was a time when men cursed and beat on the ground with sticks. It was called witchcraft.
    Today it is called golf!

  6. #6
    5 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    Pickering, Ontario
    Posts
    642
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Hi Kris, time for my two cents...

    1) I have used Norton's software since the DOS days and have never experienced any bad problems. I'm currently running Norton SystemWorks 2004. The only difference I found between NSW 2003 and NSW 2004 was the product activation process which does not cause me any concern.

    2) I am currently using Zone Alarm Pro v4.54 without any problems. I had updated to the recently released version 5 but had to backtrack as the new version has a bug and bypasses checking of e-mails for viruses under Norton's AV.

    3) Running Ad-Aware and SpyBot S&D without any hitches. Am also running Pest Patrol that came as a freebie when I updated to Zone Alarm Pro a couple of years ago.

    4) As others have suggested... stay away from XP's built in firewall... it is pretty lame compared to other security packages. However, who knows what SP2 will bring to the table regarding its touted improvement in security?

    Anyway, that's my two cents. Have fun amassing the results.

    Cheers, Bob
    Regards,
    Bob

  7. #7
    Administrator
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    St Louis, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    23,576
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 1,057 Times in 926 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Bob,
    From what I've read about SP-2 the short answer is NO. I believe that the 'new and improved' Windows Firewall still will not have outbound protection. It is however much more robust and configurable than ICF. Much better than nothing for the new user.

    Joe
    Joe

  8. #8
    Super Moderator jscher2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Silicon Valley, USA
    Posts
    23,112
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 93 Times in 89 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    We have another thread going on SystemWorks. From the perspective of computer security, it is not the best product choice in the Norton line-up. Norton Internet Security would be a better choice.

    <table border=1 bordercolor=black bgcolor=white cellspacing=0 cellpadding=8><td>Norton SystemWorks</td><td>Norton Internet Security</td><td>Norton AntiVirus
    Norton Utilities
    Norton Password Manager
    Norton Goback Personal Editon
    Norton Cleanswee</td><td>Norton AntiVirus
    Norton Personal Firewall
    Norton Privacy Control
    Norton AntiSpam
    Norton Parental Control</td></table>
    Having no hands-on experience, I can't personally recommend either of these products. However, Norton is one of the most widely used antivirus products, and when I was choosing my firewall, the Norton product was highly rated for ease of use. If you've never played with a firewall before, that could be an important consideration.

    Another package to consider is PC-cillin Internet Security from Trend Micro. (There's often some kind of special offer on PC-cillin on the home user home page.)

  9. #9
    Silver Lounger Duchess843's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Sicklerville, NJ
    Posts
    2,488
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Viking, I just read your post to Kris. I'm in almost the same position , my virus definitions are about to expire and I've posted on this board asking for another program similar to Norton SystemWorks Suite. I think you have solved my problem, just get the stand alone Anti Virus from Nortons and remove Zone Alarms ver 5. It is conflicting with Nortons, I can't see anything scanning my e-mail in or outbound since I updated to ZA 's newest version.

    I do have expierience with Norton's 2004 and I agree, stay away, far away from it. Although not meant for me, I thank you for the great advice.
    <img src=/S/coffeetime.gif border=0 alt=coffeetime width=32 height=48>

  10. #10
    Uranium Lounger viking33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Cape Cod, Massachusetts, USA
    Posts
    6,308
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Duchess,
    Glad that post helped you.
    By all means, run don't walk and get rid of that Version 5.xxx ZA until they fix it. <img src=/S/flee.gif border=0 alt=flee width=25 height=25>
    BOB
    http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/flags/USA.gif http://lounge.windowssecrets.com/S/f...sachusetts.gif


    Long ago, there was a time when men cursed and beat on the ground with sticks. It was called witchcraft.
    Today it is called golf!

  11. #11
    Silver Lounger Duchess843's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Sicklerville, NJ
    Posts
    2,488
    Thanks
    36
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Again, I thank you Mr. Viking. No sooner said than done.
    <img src=/S/coffeetime.gif border=0 alt=coffeetime width=32 height=48>

  12. #12
    Plutonium Lounger
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Sacramento, California, USA
    Posts
    16,775
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    I'm running ZA Pro 5 and like it very much. It doesn't interfere with my AV, but then I haven't used NAV for at least a decade, long before Symantec got their hands on it. I use an f-Prot based AV and have for many years. It doesn't fight with my other apps, the updates are timely, and I've never had a virus. I've never used the other Norton tools (well, not since Symantec bought them and Windows replaced DOS as the OS of choice) and have never missed them.

    Frankly, I'd suggest anyone jettison NAV and find a different antivirus that has fewer compatibility problems than Norton. A good firewall is even more important than a particular antivirus and ZA 5 includes MailSafe, which is probably what chokes NAV.
    Charlotte

  13. #13
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Dec 2000
    Location
    Renton, Washington, USA
    Posts
    12,560
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    "I do have experience with Norton's 2004 and I agree, stay away, far away from it. Although not meant for me, I thank you for the great advice."

    What problems are you having, I have been using Norton's since the early DOS days. True I do NOT use Clean Sweep, or the security SW but the rest works great.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

  14. #14
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Dec 2001
    Location
    Franklin, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    124
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Hi All,

    I've been to the ZA forum and they tell me that an update to v5 was released yesterday (06/21) which they hope will fix the problems. Firewall and security beginner that I am, I'm waiting for youz to get the update and see it it works. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

    They also had some trouble finding v4.x for me to download/buy. Seems that ZA removed it when v5 was put up. You'll see my thread under klove if you go there.

    Thanks for the continuing help on this. Keep going. I'm taking notes!
    Kris
    Kris

  15. #15
    Uranium Lounger
    Join Date
    Mar 2001
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    6,684
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts

    Re: Norton/What To Do

    Hey Kris,

    Take a look here for an older version of ZA. They don't have anything more current than v2.6 and seem to think that v3.1 is the current one, but it's a place to start. HTH
    <IMG SRC=http://www.wopr.com/w3tuserpics/DocWatson_sig.gif>

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •