Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 17
  1. #1
    5 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Cumberland, Maryland, USA
    Posts
    880
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    The USDA has declared that frozen French fries are now classified as "fresh vegetables." I seem to recall that ketchup, according to the US government, is also a "vegetable." A perfect nutritional pair.
    http://www.organicconsumers.org/scho...ries061604.cfm

  2. #2
    5 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    May 2003
    Location
    Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    629
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    Well, I don't know what categories they had available to them , or for what purpose the classification was (nutrition? Storage guidelines? transporation regulations?), but (freedom <img src=/S/blackteeth.gif border=0 alt=blackteeth width=20 height=20> ) fries are made of potatoes, and ketchup is made mostly of tomato puree, and I reckon those are vegetables.


    Jim H

  3. #3
    3 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Darkest Kent, UK., Kent, England
    Posts
    257
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    What about olives? Are they fruit or vegetables?

  4. #4
    Super Moderator jscher2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2001
    Location
    Silicon Valley, USA
    Posts
    23,112
    Thanks
    5
    Thanked 93 Times in 89 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    I think olives are mostly oil and salt. <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>

    Actually, I suspect they are a fruit, but that's just because I can't think of any vegetables that grow on trees and have a big seed in the middle.

  5. #5
    3 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
    Posts
    336
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    How come people always ask whether a given food is a fruit OR a vegetable? How come no one ever asks whether spinach is a leaf or a vegetable? Is a carrot a root or a vegetable? "Fruit" is a botanical designation, referring to a specific part of a plant, just like root, stem, and leaf. "Vegetable" is a culinary designation, referring to how a plant is used in the kitchen and how it is eaten. Some fruits are sweet, but most are not. The following vegetables are all fruits: tomatoes, eggplant, okra, green beans, pumpkin, squash (summer and winter), cucumbers, pea pods, peppers, avocado, ears of corn. Think of it this way: if it has seeds, it's a fruit. But that doesn't mean it's not a vegetable.

    Fafner

  6. #6
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Juneau, Alaska, USA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    AFAIK fruit is both a botanical & a culinary designation-and there's no reason why the two designations need to coincide. (Of course I'm not into cooking-I'm into eating-so maybe I'm wrong about the culinary designation. What's the culinary designation of an apple?)

  7. #7
    3 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
    Posts
    336
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    You're right, of course, that "fruit" can be used as both a botanical and a culinary designation. Rhubarb, for example, is not botanically a fruit, it's a stem. But it is used in desserts as though it were a sweet fruit and is therefore often classified as a fruit for culinary purposes. But when people say that a tomato isn't a vegetable because it is a fruit, they are forgetting this distinction between culinary and botanical classifications. That was the point I was trying to make. I just find it interesting that people who worry about whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable never worry about whether green beans or zucchini or okra is a fruit or vegetable. (Although I suppose there are other reasons to worry about okra.)

    Fafner

  8. #8
    Lounger
    Join Date
    May 2002
    Location
    Fort Worth, Texas, USA
    Posts
    36
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    Tomatoes will bring us full circle. Many years ago congress meddled with these definitions and decided that tomatoes were a fruit for a reason I cannot remember. I am sure that a lobbyist and major corporation somewhere is happy with the fresh frozen fries classification. <img src=/S/crazy.gif border=0 alt=crazy width=15 height=15>

  9. #9
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Juneau, Alaska, USA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    I find the classification of frozen food as 'fresh' mush stranger than the fruit/vegetable problem.

    I tried going to the link to see if it mentioned the reasoning behind this (mis)classification but it seems to be down. Or busy. Or something-whatever the cause I couldn't reach the site right now.

  10. #10
    Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
    Posts
    86
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    It's sad that the term FRESH has been taken by frozen food manufacturers/distributors. In the UK there is a store that sells frozen food (Iceland

  11. #11
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Hampton, New Hampshire, USA
    Posts
    120
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    <img src=/S/thumbup.gif border=0 alt=thumbup width=15 height=15> Here! Here! Not only is your point well made it is well written. Cudos and my support to you on both counts. The term "Fresh Frozen" belongs right up there with:

    1.) "Picked Fresh" for those fruits and veggies (regardless of what you believe belongs in either of these two groupings) that are not locally grown.
    2.) "Fresh Baked" for those baked goods that are not baked on premesis.
    3.) "Fresh Packed" for those canned items that .... <img src=/S/scratch.gif border=0 alt=scratch width=25 height=29> well I just don't know what they think they are implying here.

    I am sure that there are more examples but these are the ones that get me the most.
    <font face="Comic Sans MS">MickeyMouse</font face=comic>
    How best to describe the Lounge-
    "Coming together is a beginning, staying together is progress, working together is success"

  12. #12
    2 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Juneau, Alaska, USA
    Posts
    110
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    I'm not sure what locally grown has to do with your objection to Picked Fresh. Since the phrase refers to the condition at the time of picking, and not at the time of sale, it would be perfectly applicable to both locally grown & non-locally grown produce if it meant anything. But regarding its meaning, please tell me how you could pick something without it being fresh? (That's not a rhetocical question-some of you have such ingenious imaginations that I can't wait to see what you come up with.)

    IMO Fresh Packed is different from Packed Fresh. Perhaps Fresh Packed would refer to items that are packed on the premises, just like Fresh Baked would? (We have a couple of local packing plants where you can get 'Fresh Packed' salmon and it really is Fresh Packed. But I think that's the exception rather than the rule.)

  13. #13
    Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Sep 2003
    Location
    Texas, USA
    Posts
    98
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    If I remember my biology correctly, the fruit has seeds and is the "ovary" of the plant. So, the tomato, cucumber, zuchinni, etc. must be fruits??? <img src=/S/confused3.gif border=0 alt=confused3 width=45 height=45>

  14. #14
    3 Star Lounger
    Join Date
    Jan 2001
    Location
    Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
    Posts
    336
    Thanks
    2
    Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    Don't be confused. Of course they are fruits. This subject was discussed earlier in this thread. "Fruit OR Vegetable" is a false dichotomy.

    Fafner

  15. #15
    New Lounger
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    Cullompton, Devon, England
    Posts
    11
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Re: Frozen Fries = 'Fresh Vegetables'!!?

    Some products such as peas and sweetcorn deteriorate so rapidly when picked, that if frozen within a couple of hours of picking and bought from the freezer cabinet a month later,they are often "fresher" than items a day old bought as "fresh".

    My pet gripe is "home made". This is often seen on items in supermarkets. Whose home were they made in?

    Pat <img src=/S/cheers.gif border=0 alt=cheers width=30 height=16>

    PS. Can one of you clever graphics types come up with smilies for pedant and smug?

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •