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    Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Hi,

    I'm currently on IE6 which is okay. But what are the implications of changing to a new browser, and what are the benefits/downsides of the popular ones? Do they get regular 'service packs'? Can they be suited to the users needs? Do they hold spyware, or have facilities to control spyware? And so on................

    I see that the likes of Mozilla contain utilities that are not available in IE, hence the temptation to change.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    I recommend Firefox from Mozilla

    It is more secure, you can import your favorites & settings from IE. One of the biggest advantages over IE is tabbed browsing, once you start using tabbed browsing you would probably not want to go back. Firefox is regularly updated, it is currently a preview release with version 1 due out next month. Even in preview release stage it is very stable and reliable and along with it's older cousin Mozilla has had regular updates. Firefox contains no spyware.

    There are hundreds of extensions available for Firefox allowing users to add new features and adapt Firefox to suite their needs.

    Give Firefox a try, you can always uninstall it in the unlikely event that you do not like it.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Firefox does look alot better than IE6! Might give it a go.
    Whats Thunderbird like....................just following the links at the webpage you posted. Better than Outlook?

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    I have only used it a few times, initial impressions are it is very good. It terms of what Thunderbird does it is better to compare it to Outlook Express and based on limited use I think Thunderbird is better. Hopefully another lounger who uses Thunderbird more will be able to give a more informed opinion.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    I'm a Thunderbird user at home exclusively. I've been using it since the 0.3 release, and I'm convinced it's head and shoulders above OE.

    My only concern is with the Junk mail filtering. But then again, I haven't found a solution that I like yet anywhere, so it doesn't bother me all that much.

    Give Thunderbird a shot, I think you'll like it.
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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    1. Is there a VBA interface for Firefly, for Mozilla?

    2. Can Firefly (or Mozilla) fully co-exist with IE 6, in no way affecting IE 6?

    3. Is IE 6 adversely affected if either Mozilla or Firefly is made the default browser?

    4. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    1. Is there a VBA interface for Thunderbird?

    2. Can Thunderbird fully co-exist with Outlook and OE, in no way affecting either Outllok or OE?

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    > 1. Is there a VBA interface for Firefly, for Mozilla?
    You mean a COM object you can automate? I don't believe one ships as part of Firefox, but I think I read that there is an open source project developing an ActiveX control. Also, there are embeddable versions of the browser available.

    > 2. Can Firefly (or Mozilla) fully co-exist with IE 6, in no way affecting IE 6?
    It's Firefox, and yes, Firefox can sit quietly by as your second browser.

    > 3. Is IE 6 adversely affected if either Mozilla or Firefly is made the default browser?
    It pouts in the most pathetic manner.

    > 4. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
    Wrong board.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    >You mean a COM object you can automate? I don't believe one ships as part of Firefox, but I think I read that there is an open source project developing an ActiveX >control. Also, there are embeddable versions of the browser available.

    I mean an object model analagous to that of IE.

    > 2. Can Firefly (or Mozilla) fully co-exist with IE 6, in no way affecting IE 6?
    >It's Firefox, and yes, Firefox can sit quietly by as your second browser.
    Fireflys are pretty quiet too.

    > 3. Is IE 6 adversely affected if either Mozilla or Firefly is made the default browser?
    >It pouts in the most pathetic manner.

    As does Outlook.
    Every time I re-install, or install an SP or SP, IE changes my default mail program to Outlook.

    > 4. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
    >Wrong board.

    I thought you were a bunch of woodlands experts, after all it is Woody's board.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    > I mean an object model analagous to that of IE.

    Well... for purposes of use JavaScript inside the browser, yes, there is a W3C compliant document object model. However, to automate Firefox from VBA, as you can do with IE's shdocvw and mshtml libraries, you probably need some additional bits and pieces. I don't think Firefox has a COM interface in the default install.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Came into this string as it began with the question I had, i.e., what do Loungers think about Firefox vs IE6.

    Could some of you more experienced users comment on the same basic question, for a non-techie user such as I who has only ever used IE and OE for both personal and business uses. I've been reading so much about Firefox that I'm considering it, but realize I might be creating problems for myself as I can't "troubleshoot" it on my own.

    Any comments greatly appreciated. As always, it's great to have these Lounges as support and knowledge bases!!

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Hi Irene:
    There is no clear cut answer. You will always find some people who prefer one & some the other. I like the tab browsing feature of Firefox. There are also some keyboard shortcuts that it has that I like (that IE doesn't have). The tab browsing does present a security risk (discovered recently), but IE has security risks also. Some of the IE security risks are lessened by service packs & also by various tweaks to the security & other settings, but some risks remain. Some pages are only shown correctly in IE.

    I also like Avant Browser, which uses the IE engine, but adds the tabbed browsing feature, popup blocking, & other features. On my machine (Win 98), it uses too many resources. It has keyboard shortcuts that I like that Firefox doesn't have.

    Quite frankly, the only way to know what you like is to try it out & give it a chance. In the very beginning, any change will be more difficult, because you won't be used to or aware of all the new features. I'd say try Firefox (& or Avant Browser) & give each about two weeks. Don't forget, by asking on this board, most of us are already using an alternative to IE, so we have some bias. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> But that doesn't make us right. <img src=/S/duck.gif border=0 alt=duck width=23 height=23> <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    I've been using Firefox for a few months now. There definitely are sites that do not render as intended because of differences between the two browsers. I have complained to some of them, others I just load in IE as needed. I like the multiple tabs, the "print to fit" function, and the feeling of safety knowing that ActiveX controls can't run. <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>

    With previous versions, there was an issue with Outlook involving an odd "link browser" dialog. The fix for that is posted in a couple of threads now. Other than that, I'm not sure any troubleshooting will be needed.

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Thanks for the advice and rationales.

    One further question: do I just download the new browsers alongside IE on this machine, meaning I'd have IE plus the other two, Firefox and Avant? Oh, and one more: do I just continue to use Outlook Express for email regardless of which browser is in use? (is that a truly dumb question?)

    Thanks for the words of experience, biased or not!

    Linda

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    Re: Browser recommendations (IE6)

    Hi Linda:
    >>do I just download the new browsers alongside IE

    Yes. That way, you could use any of the browsers, although only one could be your default browser (the one that loads a page when you double click a shortcut or click a hyperlink) at one time. After you download them, you can install them into their own folders under the Programs folder. As you install each one, it will ask if you want to make it your default browser. I don't accept this option with a new browser, because I want to try it first. Also, there are some problems making Firefox your default. If & when you get to that stage, post back & I can tell you where to get a reg file that will make the necessary changes.

    >>do I just continue to use Outlook Express for email regardless of which browser is in use?

    Yes, unless you want to download & install an email program. Browsers & email programs are different, although they can be combined. Mozilla combines both functions; so does Netscape. On the other hand, Microsoft has separate programs (IE & Outlook). Thunderbird is a separate email program (developed by Mozilla). There are many others.

    If you're changing browsers, you might want to get used to a new browser & then try a different email program later. Of course, if you like Outlook, there's no reason to switch. Personally, I started with Netscape Communicator 4X & have been too lazy to learn another one. <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>

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