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    Renegade macros in Wurd2000? (Word2000 w/SP-3)

    Maybe support folks have gotten panicked calls on this, and I'll take any opinions, theories, or other suggested sites to pass on to the bosses [so I don't get blamed].

    Bkgnd: Wurd 2k w/SP-3 on powerful desktop [3+ Ghz Intel CPU, 512 Mb RAM, 120 Mb HD] running Win 2k; many uncomplex [nothing fancy, no images or columns, etc] manuals documents originally converted from WordPrefect some years ago. MANY users adding pieces over the years, all kinds of formatting & layout tricks & mistakes. Font changed from original WP Univers [not supported by MS products] to Arial w/no apparent bad effects. Ave. size 800-1100 kb.

    Problem: when making simple changes [typos, punctuation, etc.], no problem. BUT, when making changes involving ruler settings, paragraph formats, tabs, selected text, & font characteristics, weirdness reigns. [I've gotten a possible explanation for #1 but not #2; is Wurd just saving & saving the most recent doc AND every changed one under that one file?]

    Oddity #1: When change is applied, even to selected line, text, or paragraph, the WHOLE DOCUMENT takes on the change, formatting & layout completely changed. Press CTRL-Z [undo] and the doc reverts to original settings, yet the change is made on the selected parts, so all looks well. [Pressing undo again eliminates the change just made w/o affecting the rest of the doc.] BUT...

    Oddity #2: the doc grows to HUGE size: a 1.1 Mb doc grew to 27 Mb after a couple hour's work, until Wurd freezes trying to do a save. Reopening Wurd & the doc shows nothing unusual [except last changes lost], page counts are same, but when closing [even without changes] Wurd freezes again. Doc is useless now.

    Wurd Macro Virus Protect is enabled. Full virus scan of whole PC w/updated defs showed nothing. Restoring default Normal.dot in Wurd did nothing. Track Changes and Automatic Update for Styles was originally enabled, but even after disabling these doc would still grow.

    I encountered this once before some years ago on a job [also w/Wurd 2k & Win 2k], had no solution except to rebuild doc from scratch and never found the cause for that one [me - contract tech writer, changes jobs often]. I think it's a corrupted macro or unknown macro virus, and since there's no way to find where a macro resides in a Wurd document, it [and work done so far] is now junk.

    Ever seen this before? Any ideas? I don't think there is a fix for the ruined docs, I just don't want it to start again w/new docs. Thanx!

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    Re: Renegade macros in Wurd2000? (Word2000 w/SP-3)

    Hi, Wordsmith. There are many whitepapers and documents on the web which articulate why Word and WordPerfect don't play nice together. The long and short of it is that Word is "object based" meaning it looks at each object (character, paragraph, section, etc.) and reads what you format with sometimes surprising and undesireable consequences to the average end-user. WordPefect is "linear" meaning you turn formatting on at one point and off at the end and it knows you want everything between those toggles formatted a particular way regardless of where you do this in the document. If your conversions were handled by simply opening the WP files into Word, then they have never truly been converted but have been "interpretted" by Word's RTF converter. Your company could benefit by searching for a document migration solution as offered by several companies -- the one with which I'm most familiar is DocXchange by Microsystems.

    Oddity #1 -- The styles (if they exist) are set to "automatically update". It is likely your normal style. Go to Format / Styles, find "Normal" and click on Modify. Make sure to uncheck "Automatically Update" in the lower right part of the dialog. If you check the box on the left (update template) it will store this setting so that new documents will not have this issue. However, this is a "document" setting so will need to be done on all documents currently exhibiting this behavior.

    Oddity #2 -- You have Fast Saves turned on. You can disable this "feature" at Tools / Options / Save. I believe this is an application setting and would need doing only once, but I'm unsure and will defer to others more knowledgeable.

    Both of these settings are turned on "out of the box."

    Good luck and I hope this helps.
    Karen

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    Re: Renegade macros in Wurd2000? (Word2000 w/SP-3)

    Hi Karen:
    (& welcome back <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15>). Yes, Tools/Options/Fast saves is an application setting, saved in the Data key in the registry.

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    Re: Renegade macros in Wurd2000? (Word2000 w/SP-3)

    As Karen said, you must remove Automatically update from your styles. Since you'll be doing this many times, you can go to <post#=85123>post 85123</post#> & use the macro listed there in a global template. Then you can run it easily on each document. In fact, you can name it AutoOpen & it will run every time a document is opened.

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    Re: Renegade macros in Wurd2000? (Word2000 w/SP-3)

    To purge any suspected macros, Save As RTF, close, re-open the RTF file and Save As a new DOC file. You won't lose much that you care about, but you will lose the macros and maybe any incipient corruption.

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