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    Review of Spam Filters

    You may be interested in this review

    Apparently the prices of all spam-reduction products have to end in .95 or .99 -- there must be a good reason for this?

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Interesting that they don't have the Open Source <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15> SpamBayes filter.

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    John,
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    end in .95 or .99 -- there must be a good reason for this?
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    That's one of the oldest retail marketing schemes in the world. At least here in the US.
    Instead of pricing something like $25.00, they will price it a t $24.95 and to a lot of people that will really look like a great deal. Skim down a list of prices and the one that's 5 cents or even a penny cheaper will get more attention ( and sales ) Mark down something by $1.01 and it will stand out like it was a two dollar reduction. <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    <P ID="edit" class=small>(Edited by JohnGray on 31-Oct-04 18:44. )</P>Stuart

    Unless it's changed, SpamBayes is Outlook only, not Outlook Express...

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    Later... Apparently it now does support Outlook Express, but by such a devious mechanism that it might as well not...!
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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Fair enough, but they did list supported clients for each product so could have included SpamBayes if they wanted to. I suspect the real reason for it's ecxlusion is to do with whether they earn any money from click-throughs.

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    It's a bit odd that Matador, which Consumer Reports listed as 96% effective with 4% false positives in its September 2004 issue, best among the products it tested, is rated 8th on this site. I wonder what corpus of spam and ham was used to test, and what kind of training the products were given??

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Once again, here's a review that rates my favorite, MailWasher Pro, way down list. I am leery of many reviews as they seem to rush through to make deadline. For those not familiar, the biggest advantage of MWP is that it processes the mail on the server! This is a huge distinction from all the others which pull the entire email down (including attachments!) to your local client. That's like letting the bad guy in the front door in my mind. MWP reads as little as the first 20 lines (much of which, of course, is the header) and analyses it with bayesian filters (they call it learning filters) and tags each email as good, bad, or questionable. It then lets you decide how to handle it. At that point, when you click "Process", it's default operation is to delete all the bad and/or unwanted email from your ISP's servers, then it calls up your email client, which then pulls down what is left - the good stuff.

    It has white and black lists too.

    You can manually process your mail on the server or let MW do it, or both. You can manually delete and/or quick reply from within MW too.

    The reviews always say it has a high false positive rate. My issue with that is, how long did they use it? The "learning filters" take time to figure YOU out. I get a couple hundred emails a day, 75% is spam. I have not had a false positive in months.

    And since it works on the server, it does not matter what client you use.

    If you are looking for a spam blocker - it is worth the look.

    It does have faults. It is a little harder to initially set up. Since it works independently and does not integrate with your client, you have to tell it your account info for each account you want it to manage. But once set up, you are good to go. The free MW works with one account, MW Pro with - I don't know, I have my poll 6 - it will work with POP, IMAP, Hotmail, and AOL. The other disadvantage is a matter of timing. It is possible to have a spam sneak in between the the few seconds it takes MWP to process your mail and for your client to come up and pull it down. But that is rare.

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Nicely said, Bill! I've been using MailWasher ever since the free version, converted to Pro when it came out and haven't had the first problem with it. I tend to think that people either miss or don't understand the significance of checking your mail while it's still on the ISP's server. I probably do one thing differently than most folks. I don't ever have MailWasher download the mail. When I click the Process button it "only" does the deletes. I keep my email client (Mozilla) open and after processing in MWP, immediately switch to email and "Get" my acceptable messages. I've been lucky and never had one sneak in during that short interval.

    I was a bit concerned by this comment in the review:
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    Overall, MailWasher Pro is a good product but allows more than the average amount of Spam to reach your Inbox even though they were marked for deletion.<hr>
    I don't understand that conclusion since it's NEVER happened to me. When I delete, dem suckers are gone!

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    I saw that comment too and did not understand it either as I have never had that problem myself. I suspect, the idiot - I'm sorry, moron, I am sorry again, the "professional reviewer <img src=/S/barf.gif border=0 alt=barf width=64 height=23>" - marked items for deletion then didn't hit the "process" button!

    I use outlook and do the same as you. I do not have outlook check for mail automatically and I don't even have MWP call up my client since I can often process all my mail from within MWP. But when I do want my mail to come down, I process MWP, manually call up my client from within MWP, check and process one more time then tell the client to pull it down. Works fine!
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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    False positives are a big problem if you delete them automatically! While I appreciate the efficiency of only downloading headers, and only downloading them in the background so that real-time mail retrieval is not encumbered, most spam are small, so I'm not sure there's a large savings in bandwidth. Nor do I fear letting them into my mail client, as long as they are properly marked **SPAM** by my filter. I will have to switch in the near future, though; more on that as it unfolds...

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Bill,
    I don't relay much on reviewers opinions. We have also had MUCH discussion on Spam Filters here in the Lounge. The statistics of pro and cons for one filter over another are about the same as what you would get in a published review. Everyone has their own favorite program and will say "my " program is better than the others because it has 100% accuracy and the others do not. I've had NO false positives and the others don't get that high a percentage or what ever.

    It all boils down to what that particular user is happy with and what they are used to using on his particular system. I won't even mention what I am using but it isn't MWP.
    Mine is better than that. ( see what I mean? ) <img src=/S/brainwash.gif border=0 alt=brainwash width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Ha! You may be right about yours, but I doubt it!

    I can accept reviewers opinions. What I don't accept is factual inaccuracies or omissions of significant facts altogether. The guy obviously did not take the time to learn the product - and granted, it does fall a little short of ideal for friendliness and intuitiveness. But that is more than compensated by its security advantage - and that's what its all about, isnt it?

    Oh, and nothing says you have to have it automatically delete anything, which is not the default. It will just mark it for deletion and hold until you select "Process Mail" if you desire.

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    Ha! You may be right about yours, but I doubt it!
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    Ha!!!! See what I mean? You don't even know what prog I'm using and yet you doubt it?

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    Re: Review of Spam Filters

    Well, I'll bite. What are you using?

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    eMouseTrap. 100% filtering NO false positives. This statement being made on election night!

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