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    Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (6.00 XPSP2)

    I have Microsoft Works 7.0 - 1987-2002 on my new computer with Outlook Express 6.0. I am running Windows XP Pro with SP2 patch. I have never been pleased with Works and have the opportunity to load Microsoft Office 97 Professional Edition. which includes Microsoft Outlook 97, Word 97, Power Point 97, Excel 97 and Access 97. What kind of problems would I encounter if I try and load this bundle? I am not sure which version of Outlook Express that was included back then and I don't want to lose my Works Word Processor documents, Works Spreadsheet documents, and of course all my Outlook Express 7.0 email items and address book. Can this be done by someone who only knows enough about computers to get in trouble? :-) I had a great new machine built about 6 months ago with an Intel 2.4GHz 800FSB, Asus P4C800 motherboard with 2 WD Raptor HD's that are Raid striped, 1Gig of Corsair PC3200LLPT dual channel memory and the last thing in the world I want is a month long project of trying to get things back working as good as it works now. So, after that "essay" that I just wrote, lol, I guess I am simply asking is this a simple process for someone who is a long long time computer user but not an expert in the manuvering about in OE or Microsoft Word or Microsoft Works? I just know I have had a lot of trouble with the Word document and have been told that the Works bundle is a much better software to run. Sorry if I said to much as this is my first post as a new lounger. Thank any and all of you for your help in advance.

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Welcome to the Lounge Michael,

    As far as Outlook Express, it is part of Internet Explorer - it has nothing to do with any version of Office.
    As to the other part of your question, I'm confused. You say that "I have never been pleased with Works and have the opportunity to load Microsoft Office 97 Professional Edition" and later you say that you "have been told that the Works bundle is a much better software to run". Not quite sure what you are asking then.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (6.00 XPSP2)

    Sorry John and thx for the reply - that was my typo error, sorry. I have been told the MS Office bundle with "WORD" is much better. That make any more sense? I guess to make a long story short, will all my existing files that are with the MS Works bundle be accessible if I load this new (but older version I guess) of MS Office 97 Professional Edition that includes PP, Word 97, Outlook 97, Excel97 and Access 97? And what kind, if any, conflicts should I expect to run into? Will I need to uninstall Works after I load MS Office 97, and it's programs including Word, etc? What steps should I take and in what order? Thx in advance for ya'lls help.

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    OK - that makes more sense.
    Will your existing Works files working with Word 97?
    That could be a problem. When you perform a "Custom" install of any version of Office, you have the option to install text converters. These converters will allow the opening of OLDER versions of Works documents in NEWER versions of Word. Yours is the opposite situation however - i.e. you will want to open NEWER versions of Works documents with an OLDER version of Word. Obviously, Office 97 will not include converters for the newer versions of Works. RTF documents (see this article ) can be opened by most versions of most word processors. If this option is available (and <!mskb=271080>Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 271080<!/mskb> indicates that it is), it might be an idea to open all of your existing Works documents and save them in rtf format . If you have access to a machine that is running Office 97, I'd probably copy a few of these files to a floppy and then try to open them with Word 97.

    As for the order of installation/removal, back up all of your existing documents, uninstall Works and then install Office 97.

    "I have been told the MS Office bundle with "WORD" is much better." Actually (to my knowledge), the version of Word that is bundled with Works is identical to the version of Word that is included with the various Office suites. If you have no need of the other components included with Office 97 (PP, Excel, Access, etc.) I would be tempted to stay with your current installation. If you install Office 97, you will actually be replacing a newer version of Word with an older version. It's your call.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Thx for the help John. This is all kind of making sense now as I am an old AutoCad designer and I assume it is just like the analogy the an old version of AutoCad can not read newer version files but the newer version can read everything back down. What I have loaded now is MS Works V7.0 and was thinking of the MS Office 97 Professional only because many people that I have sent WORKS documents to, that have WORD, say they can not open them. Several tech people have told me the WORD was a better product. The only thing in this MSO 97 bundle that I would REALLY LIKE TO HAVE, that I do not have, is the Power Point. I dont know if I can just load it separately or not... I tend to agree with you, when in doubt, I can do as I have always and just always send a document, whether it be a resume or what, in .rtf format and advise the accepter accordingly, how to open it in case they do not know how. Sure would be nice to have that Power Point thought because my son uses it at school .... just a thought - maybe you know if PP can be pulled separately from that bundle.... I have lived this many years with WORKS so guess I can live with it a little longer. Next time I have a new computer built, I will make sure that the MS Office with WORD and full version is on it. thx again in advance....

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    I believe that Works can save your files as .doc (Word document) files. Files>Save as and in the "save as type" dialogue, select "Word Document". This should allow the other users to open these files.

    As for PowerPoint, yes you can install only this component. When you get to the section which prompts you for the type of install (typical, full, custom, etc.), select Custom. You will then be presented with ALL of the available options. Simply uncheck every application except PowerPoint. One thing that may be problematical however, is installing an older version of an Office application with a newer version of an Office application already installed (BTW, the version of Word that is installed with Works is the full version). MS recommends installing the older application first and then the newer version (see <!mskb=828956>Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 828956<!/mskb>). This article applies to all versions of Office - not just O2003 as indicated in the title. You might be advised to remove the Works installation, install PowerPoint 97 and then re-install Works.

    Note that the Office Update site only supports Office 2000, XP and 2003. You will have to go to this site to obtain any updates for PowerPoint.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    The basic file format for Word 97-2002 is the same, but Word 97 will be unable to render certain features that you may have added from a later version. If you fire up the version of Word in your Works suite, it may have a "what's new" page in the help files that lists the features that you should not expect will work when you open the file in Word 97. By the way, what does Help>About show the version in Works to be?

    (Also, there were some changes in the macro language between Word 97 and 2000, and there are changes in the Word object model in each new version, but I suspect that this will not be a problem for you.)

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Thx for being so persistent with your help and advice John. All you posted makes sense cept for one thing. You mentioned that the version of "Word" that is installed with Works is the full version). There is my problem. The word processor with Works is just that, "MS WORKS word processor" and not MS WORD word processor. I have tried to send WORKS documents saved as Word 6.0 etc and those are the ones they say they can not open or read although they can open other peoples that have been created with MS Word. At least that is what they tell me. Maybe the problem is more on their end than mine. I guess this is really a mute point now because with your enlightenment, I think I will leave well enough alone. I realllllllllllllllllllly would like to have that Power Point though. So, if I uninstall or remove the Works installation, install the Power Point 97, and re-install Works, all my spreadsheets and WORKS documents should still be accessible, should they not? I think maybe it would be a good idea maybe to burn all my files related to the Works that is on my computer now just in case something gets lost in this shuffle. I did make it clear that my version installed now is MS Works V7.0 and not MS Office. It does however have a word processor, spreadsheet, database, calendar, email and internet tools, and my projects organizer. I really am not that unhappy with it as I get around in it pretty good - was just trying to correct that problem of people saying they had problems reading my works documents. Hmmmmmm - light just went off in my head. My older computer had Works on it that I was having so much problems with that and not this newer version that I have on here now. If I just knew for sure I could safely uninstall this version of Works, and get the Power Point on here without losing my docs and spreadsheets, it just might be worth the time. Will read those "base articles" you mentioned and visit the site on the PP updates and then try and make a decision. Thx ....... You have been a great help.

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Michael

    Over here in the UK (at least), it is sensible for people who can't afford Office <whatever> to buy WorksSuite, which includes a copy of Word 2002, rather than Works 8 (which doesn't). Here's the Microsoft web page.

    It is really annoying that Microsoft continues to sell two different packages with confusable names.

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Thx jsc - I overlooked your post. I was afraid that uninstalling MS Works V7.0 (About Microsoft Works shows V to be 7.0 Copyright 1987-2002 by the way) would affect my mail Outlook Express, address book, etc, and all of my organized mail as I have taken great pains to make my sub folders the way I want them. That was one thing that I was worried about. John enlightened me in earlier post that MS Works should have no effect on my Outlook Express. I just looked at the "Whats New" page in the help section and think maybe I should just leave well enough alone. I know how to get around in there pretty well and it is a much newer version of MS Bundle than the MS Office 97 bundle that I was going to try to put on (the copyright on it is 1983-1996) so that makes it 6 yrs older than what I have. As noted to John, the only thing now that it has that I would like to have it the Power Point. I need to investigate just loading portion only. Thx guys. What a wonderful site and people here to help those of us that can design our country's defense systems and design skyscrapers but can't understand installing software - haha.

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Michael,

    I just read <!post=John Gray's post,433233>John Gray's post<!/post> and a light also went off in my head. He is absolutely correct. Works and Works Suite are two different products. Unless you have the Works Suite, you don't have Word <img src=/S/blush.gif border=0 alt=blush width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/stupidme.gif border=0 alt=stupidme width=30 height=30> . Your decision then is whether or not to uninstall Works 7 and install Office 97 OR leave Works as it is and only install PowerPoint 97. My comments on the order of installation are not relevant in this situation. Sorry for the misinformation - I assumed (incorrectly) that you had the Works suite.

    According to <!mskb=271080>Microsoft Knowledge Base Article 271080<!/mskb> however, you should still be able to share your Works files with others. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Michael,

    I'm a bit late to this thread, but I think I can add something that might be useful to your situation. I have found similar problems when sharing Word documents from any version of Word with people who use Works. And converting the documents to a "common" format doesn't seem to help either. As John has mentioned, you will do no harm to your email by installing any Office programs. Outlook (not to be confused with Outlook Express) may try to get you to make it your default email client. As Nancy Reagan said, "Just say NO !!" You can definitely install PowerPoint from the Office 97 CD without any of the other Office programs. Select "custom" installation and then choose your components. I always install Office using the "custom" option just so I can choose not to install Outlook (my life isn't that complex that I need it <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>). I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that you can install Word on the same computer as you have Works with no ill effects. They install to different directories (Office & Works) and as such shouldn't conflict. You may be prompted when installing Word about the version you are installing being older than your existing version, but I doubt it since the version of Word in Works isn't called Word. But if it wants to overwrite your Works Word Processor installation, I'd say no. If your old computer is still accessable, try installing Office 97 there and see what happens to the Works installation. Although, if you have the ability to reinstall Works on your new system, then I'd just backup the data from Works, especially the Word processor documents, and install the components of Office 97 that I wanted.

    FWIW - I wouldn't uninstall anything first. That way if there is any conflict or something needs to be done to convert the documents, the install procedure should alert you to this fact. I'll see if I can Google up some info on "upgrading" from MS Works to Office.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    I found a few references with suggestions to save the Works files as .doc or .rtf files. But I'm not sure that's 100% foolproof.

    I found this info; "WDB files are Works Database files and there isn't much support for converting those. The usual method is to export them from MS Works into either Comma Separated Values (CSV) or dBase (DBF) format, which Excel can open. In newer versions of Works the spreadsheets are compatible with MS Excel. In older Works versions the spreadsheet files need a 3rd party converter http://www.rl-software.com/index.php?/.

    There's a list of the different file formats each program saves it's data to here and a "Word Processor Conversion Library" of .dll files for the different programs here.

    This shouldn't be this hard, but we are talking about MS products here. There has to be a simpler solution. I'll post back if I find it.
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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Thx Doc and everyone. I just don't think the chances of conflicts are worth it. I tried to do a custom install of the MS Office 97 and it does not give me a choice of just installing the "Power Point" as I know PP. Why go backwards to an earlier product just to get PP? It is just to confusing. It gives options of PP products such as "Music" something or other and other components of PP. I have gotten along this long without it and will just wait and bite the bullet and buy a separate version of PP when I can afford it. Everything is just working to well and I know my system and how to get around in it. Besides - lol - if I need to send a word document then I will just send it as a .rtf and that will just have to be good enough for them. My life is not that complex anymore either John - *s - Thanks for EVERYONE for such wonderful help - what a great group and I am sure I will have other questions for the forum in days to come - Everyone have a Blessed and Safe Holidays...

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    Re: Can I install MS Office 97 over existing OE? (

    Michael,
    Not to belabour the point, but after you pick the "Custom Install" you are presented with the attached screen.

    (Below is quoted from an old KB article as I cannot seem to produce a live link)
    "To view a list of additional options for each of these main options, select the one you want, and then click Change Option. Another window appears, with another set of check boxes. For example, when you select the Microsoft Word option and click Change Option, Setup displays the following list of options for Word:

    * Microsoft Word Program Files
    * Help
    * Wizards and Templates
    * Proofing Tools
    * Address Book
    * Word Mail in Exchange
    * Text Converters

    Each of these options may have additional options. If so, the Change Option button is available when the option is selected. You can select all or only some of a set of additional components:

    * If a check box is selected, all of that option's additional components are selected.
    * If a check box is cleared, none of that option's additional components are selected.
    * If a check box is grayed, some of that option's additional components are selected. Click Change Option to see what those components are.

    The Select All button allows you to select all the options displayed in the active window, along with all their additional components. For some options, you can also change the folder in which the component is installed. If the folder can be changed, the Change Folder button is available."

    If you want to install PowerPoint, click on the Select All button at this screen. This will select ALL components for ALL of the options. Then, UNCHECK (deselect) Binder, Word, Excel, Access, Outlook, etc. but leave PowerPoint selected. You may also want to investigate what is contained in the "Office Tools" and "Converters and Filters" to see if some of them might be useful with PowerPoint. If so, you can select some (or all) of them using the methods outlined above. Then click the Continue button and PowerPoint (and whatever else you may have selected) will be installed. If you make a mistake, you can always go back or use the Cancel button and start over.

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