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    Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    This is supposed to be a true story. For the legal eagles out there, who should be charged with what?

    The medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. The decedent had jumped from the top of a ten-story building intending to commit suicide (he left a note indicating his despondency). As he fell past the ninth floor, his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast through a window, which killed him instantly.

    Ordinarily, a person who sets out to commit suicide ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended. That Opus was shot on the way to certain death nine stories below probably would not have changed his mode of death from suicide to homicide. But the fact that his suicidal intent would not have been successful caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on her hands: neither the shooter nor the decedent was aware that a safety net had been erected at the eighth floor level to protect some window washers, and that Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide because of this.

    The room on the ninth floor whence the shotgun blast emanated was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing and he was threatening her with the shotgun. He was so upset that, when he pulled the trigger, he completely missed his wife and pellets went through the window, striking Opus. When one intends to kill Person A but kills Person B in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of Person B. When confronted with this charge, the old man and his wife were both adamant that neither knew that the shotgun was loaded. The old man said it was his long standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her - therefore, the killing of Opus appeared to be an accident. That is, the gun had been accidentally loaded.

    The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple

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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    This case is detailed at the beginning of the film 'Magnolia'. If I remember rightly, the person who fired the shotgun was eventually charged with the murder, though I'm not sure if they were finally convicted or not.

    Just goes to show though, that fact is often stranger than fiction. I think it was Tom Clancy who said that the only difference between fact and fiction is that fiction has to make sense... <img src=/S/anigrin.gif border=0 alt=anigrin width=19 height=19>
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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    >> This is supposed to be a true story...

    Not to give the game away entirely....the origin of the tale...

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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    Apparently then, there is some truth to the story of the story, since the past president of the American Association for Forensic Sciences admitted:

    "I made up the story in 1987 to present at the meeting," he told the London Daily Telegraph on March 2, "for entertainment and to illustrate how if you alter a few small facts you greatly alter the legal consequences."

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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    Ooh those cheeky filmmakers, passing an urban legend off as fact! I dunno, next thing Hollywood will be re-writing the events of WW2... What? Did someone at the back say 'U571'? <img src=/S/sigh.gif border=0 alt=sigh width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    Lyra

    Are you trying to say that the people in Hollywood changed the story surrounding U571, that is scandalous, I never realised <img src=/S/angel.gif border=0 alt=angel width=15 height=21>
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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    No! I wouldn't dream of saying such a thing Jerry! I also believe everything I read in the 'papers... <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    But the BBC hinted at it. <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Oh, what a tangled we we weave.

    Pity I can't see the link as I'm at work & only have limited 'web access, but I can imagine what they said! <img src=/S/angel.gif border=0 alt=angel width=15 height=21>
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