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    Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I have seen many posts about NOT upgrading to SP2. Since there are so many benefits for the upgrade, i would like to hear (see) the reasons for NOT installing SP2?

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    Dave,
    I made the change right when it came out but I think that a lot of people are just terrified to make a big change like that, even with the reassurances of most other Loungers. That or they just don't trust Microsoft. Who knows?
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    Hi DAve,

    I made the switch to SP2 and lost the functionality of an expensive program that needed to be authenticated from the web. The place from which this program had been purchased has gone under and there isn't any way to retrieve the necessary data to get my program up and running again.

    It seems that many people have had trouble with the SP2 patch messing up how their computer works. I don't think a patch should interfere with what has been loaded on someone's hard drive nor do I think that the user should have to reload their stuff or hunt for new drivers just to satisfy an installed patch by Microsoft. It is rather irritating to have to go to this much work. It is almost as if MS is going toward a proprietary kind of atmosphere rather than an open source one. I guess when I plan on buying into a new O/S, I know I will have the possibility of updating a lot of my applications but I shouldn't have to worry about doing this just because I patched the O/S that I have now.

    If I had to do it over again, I would just be sure to keep my firewall, virus protection and other checks and balances up to date to keep my computer clean and neat. Just my <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>


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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I don't know if you'd care to share with us what the problem program name is, Skitterbug, but I'm afraid it sounds a lot like an old problem that a LOT of software vendors used to have in years gone by. Many software vendors would write their program to interface directly with the hardware and if the OS changed, their program would no longer work. As the vendor for the OS, Microsoft would always tell software people to write their programs to use the operating system to then use the machine's hardware, but many vendors wouldn't listen because, I guess, they thought they could do the job better. So, when the program ceased to function correctly, Microsoft gets blamed when (maybe) they didn't deserve that criticism. Just my two-cents worth.

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I don't think that's a fair criticism against Microsoft Skitterbug. Yes, you lost the functionality of one of your programs, but MS did give software manufacturers more than adequate notice regarding SP2 and MS provided these same manufacturers with all of the relevant information required to update their applications to be SP2 compliant. Also, SP2 was not just a simple "patch" - it was a massive rewrite of the OS. And as Al stated, if the software was not really "Windows compliant" to start with, the fault lies with the software.
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I don't want to throw gasoline on the fire, but...

    how does one conclude that "many" have had problems? With any service release, there is bound to be a small sub-set of users who encounter difficulty. As the old adage in the world of sales goes, one angry customer tells ten people about their experience, and the happy customers might - might - tell one other person.

    I say this to give some statistical balance to the argument. For every person who encountered an issue of some sort, there are countless other users who have not experienced so much as a hiccup, myself being one of the latter. I have installed SP2 on many different systems and have yet to come across a problem of any significance.

    As for the statement about Microsoft going to a proprietary atmosphere, they have always been that way. That's how they make their money and please their stockholders. SP2 was one of the most intensely scrutinized releases Microsoft ever put out for public consumption. Anyone who lived through Service Pack 2 for Windows NT 4.0 would likely agree on that point (or for that matter, anyone stuck putting up with Windows ME).

    I think I just added about <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>, is there a smilie for a dime? <img src=/S/laugh.gif border=0 alt=laugh width=15 height=15>
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I agree wholeheartedly with Mark and John. See <post#=454566>post 454566</post#> for links about SP-2 preparation, installation, and troubleshooting.

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    Since Dave asked for reasons why a user might not be happy with installing the SP2 patch, I only offered why I was unhappy with it. I was well aware when I purchased WinXP Pro that some of my software might not work with it but I didn't have any problems then. And I did install SP1 without a hitch and still my software worked well with it. It wasn't until I installed SP2 that I started having problems.

    Yes, I agree that the software programmers need to be keeping up with the compatibility issues of their applications to the MS O/S changes. Most of them do. When I read through a lot of posts here as well as on the MS boards, it seems that many people do experience problems so that is why I chose the word "many"! Maybe the percentage is more in favor of the positive than the negative but as you said, people who are happy with a product don't normally say much.

    And as I said in my opening paragraph, the only reason I spoke up is that Dave was asking for reasons. If I were really critical of MS, I would rant and rave about them but as you may notice, I don't normally carry on about them or anyone else. I generally just keep hunting for solutions to my problems.

    As for my defunct piece of software, I still have a copy of the old registry so I am hoping to sometime find the keys to authenticate it once again! In the meantime, I am sorry I stirred up the kettle! I will buzzzzz off into the sunset now. <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>


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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I'll tell you why I haven't upgraded: the person who sold me my computer, upgrades it when necessary, otherwise maintains it, and knows what he's talking about, told me he had had a few machines roll over and died after installing SP2. Since my laptop is on its last legs anyhow, I had no desire to risk pushing it over the edge until I can afford a new one. I settled for installing the security patches and hotfixes and suppressing SP2. I'll have to install it eventually, but a new laptop will undoubtedly come with it, so I'll wait.
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    Skitterbug,
    You responded to Dave's question and I should not have jumped in. I know that you don't rant and please don't be sorry for "stirring up the kettle". You DID NOT. I won't be presumptuous enough to speak on behalf of Al and Mark and Joe, but I don't think any of us meant to "attack" your point of view. We listen to so many nonsensical and totally uninformed "reasons" for not applying SP2 that I guess I responded without thinking who I was talking to. In any event Skitterbug, if I offended you, I am truly sorry. That was certainly not my intent <img src=/S/stupidme.gif border=0 alt=stupidme width=30 height=30> and I hope that you will accept my apologies.
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    Oh my Charlotte - you left yourself wide open with this!
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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    I finally took the plunge and installed sp2 this past weekend. I too was afraid of what might happen. So far everything is ok so I am assuming/hoping that nothing will change. I was under the impression that eventually there would be more critical updates that would not be able to install until sp2 was installed. I am not too computer savvy so hope I did the right thing.

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    John,

    Duck!!! That may have been too much already <img src=/S/hushmouth.gif border=0 alt=hushmouth width=16 height=16> or not. <img src=/S/rofl.gif border=0 alt=rofl width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    You did the right thing. I think that MS is going to require SP-2 for added functionality sooner than later. Best of luck and don't be afraid to post a problem.

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    Re: Reasons for NOT installing SP2

    When it comes to hardware? You betcha! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> I gave up on keeping current with hardware at least 10 years ago, and I don't want to mess around with operating systems either. I think WinNT was the last version I actually worried about. Since then, I hand the box to my friend, who makes a business of being a systems integrator, and let him do the dirty work and bill me for his time. <img src=/S/wink.gif border=0 alt=wink width=15 height=15>
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