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    Give me Linux (XP is death)

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    I'm going to suggest, you start with a LIVE CD version of any Linux distro (that makes one). For example, I've used previously, and also installed from, the SimplyMepis LiveCD.

    Running, in the Live environment, you don't touch your hard drive(s). You can, access your data, be it on NTFS or FAT partitions. You can also edit the data with the included software on the LiveCD. There are other various live distros, but I've found SimplyMepis (the home user version) very nice. ProMepis is the business version. I've had no experience with it, but it's all put together by the same fellow (yes, this is a one man distribution).

    You've mentioned ZA and AVG in your post - sadly, these excellent programs are not available to the linux community, but there are similar. Mepis has a firewall package pre-installed. I'm not so sure about an anti-virus package. I'll admit to it, I've not worried myself about viruses in linux - although I really should.

    If you do decide you like this particular distribution, there is an install tool available on the desktop that will provide you with a partitioning tool where you can save / resize / delete your windows partitions, and install the distro directly to the hard drive.

    Just to remind you, before you dump windows from your hard drive, try ANY live linux CD first. Make sure you're able to connect to the net - as there can be quirks to each distro's setup.

    You can find various distro available at The Linux Mirror Project. You'll need a bittorrent client to download these.
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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Yes, Chris is 100% correct. Linux is totally different then Windoze (better too - hehe) If you're starting off, after you play with a live distro, I'd suggest Redhat 9 or Fedora. They are easy to install and will autodetect most of the hardware. (the worse part) after that, its just installing apps. Lemme know, I can give you pointers, especially on the partitioning. its a bit different than Wndoze.
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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Redhat and Fedora sound particularly good, if only because I have heard of them at all without associating them (my ignorance) with Linux. when you refer to a LIVE CD...does that mean you can download, burn to CD, and run from the CD (as a trial run)? Or would I have to contact the vendor for the bootable CD?

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Go to the Linux Mirror Project - as shown in Chris' link. Generally, you download an ISO image - which is in effect an entire CD. You then burn that onto an actual CD. You can then boot from that CD (that you've just burnt). The trial run operates just like you already understand.

    As Chris mentions, downloading is generally done using Bit Torrent. Bit Torrent is a public, <big>safe</big> bandwidth-sharing download tool. Unlike the notorious P2P software (Kazaa, Gnutella etc etc), you are not hiding when you download. At the same time, you can control all access to your machine. The "share" philosophy of Linux generally does not cater for writing to vendors w/ post & packing costs.

    Having tested a Live CD myself, I can thoroughly recommend it. Were in not for commercial constraints in my line of business, I would be an active user of Linux.

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    I keep a Knoppix CD in my "toolbag". If I want to run Linux I just boot the CD and do whatever I need to do. When I want to run windows again I take the CD out and boot windows from my hard drive.

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    If you think that Windows is frustrating, then Linux certainly is frustrating. I still maintain that it is far from ready for prime-time use by anyone except enthusiasts, no matter what I read elsewhere. If it's ease of use that you're looking for, look at the Mac platform. It ain't free, but it is user friendly, something I hesitate to apply to any *nix platform.
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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    MMM, have stirred up a bit of debate haven't I? I have signed up for TLMP - I reckon it's worth a look, especially if you can run both OS - the choice option has gotta be good.
    You're obviously pro Mac Mark, can you do the same thing with the Mac operating system (ie, get a bootable version so you can run both at once)? Again, my ignorance, but I didn't even know you could use MAC on anything but an apple machine? The Mac OS might be good too, (but then again, is Mac like Beta - better system, but not one likes it??)
    Keep the suggestions coming folks, I appreciate them as I keep coming back for help with XP until I can decide what to do to ditch it for good or fix it properly.

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    You can't run a Mac anywhere but on Apple hardware, and you pay a premium for the chance to do so - but OS X is very solid and user friendly. As Bowlie noted, it's not so much like Beta vs. VHS in that one platform is better than another, because all computer systems crash and burn once in a while. The big difference is that Apple can control what hardware their operating system runs on so there is less likelihood of a failure from drivers or poorly configured hardware.

    Linux and OS X have the same roots - that is, Unix - but other than that, they could not be more different. Regardless of which Linux distribution you use, my personal assessment is that it is just not ready for most people. It fits well in the hands of hobbyists and those who like to tinker under the hood. Once it is up and running nicely, that's great - but the same could be said for Windows as well. Linux will force you to appreciate many things about Windows that would otherwise be taken for granted, such as hardware support and the ease with which software can be installed.
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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Yes running Linux on an Mac is possible and a google gives many alternatives such as this one. You can even run XP on a Mac, but you need an MS product to do so.

    Don't forget that OS X is Unix based .

    I don't think its a Betamax vs VHS comparison, at least not any more. I use both XP and OS X, don't see why everybody doesn't <img src=/S/evilgrin.gif border=0 alt=evilgrin width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Couldn't agree more, but would add that the second biggest difference is the lack of malware / viruses that target the Mac. It may be tempting fate to say it but there is exactly 0 (zero) viruses released in the wild for OS X and I have never heard of spyware for this platform. Some will argue that this is because of the Macs low market share and others that the OS is more robust - frankly I don't care. This will likely change as Apple increases their market share <img src=/S/please.gif border=0 alt=please width=31 height=23> and now that the script-kiddies can actually afford a mini-Mac to play with. But unlike MS, which now has a financial incentive to no longer pursue safe computing, I'm confident that Apple will continue to ensure that they have the safest and the best computing experience <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15>

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    Re: Give me Linux (XP is death)

    Mark,
    I will cheerfully second your last sentiment. I have finally managed to set up my wireless card (Netgear WG511, made in China) to run on a Fedora (Core 3) installation but it would be fair to say it was not a trouble-free experience! What took about half an hour on XP (to set up the whole thing including router) took about a week and a half (in between other things) on Fedora and was, ironically, only achieved by installing ndiswrapper so that I could use the Windows driver! <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15> Whilst that's fine for the likes of me (I regard it as the best way of learning and still miss the Windows 3.1 days of hacking config files for everything), I can't imagine most people putting up with it...
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