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    System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    I started <!post=this (long) thread,441328>this (long) thread<!/post> because I thought I was having a Sygate firewall problem but I'm now convinced it's an XP problem so I thought I'd mention it here in case someone comes upon a fix or workaround. Since you're probably already looking at my screenshot, let me explain it. The blue area is a shot of my current System Tray (aka Notification Area) and the nine icons that reside there on current bootup. The Current Items list shows those icons, clearly marked with "Always Show" as they're supposed to be. However, I had just booted for the second time this morning to get that correct result. On the previous bootup, the icons I marked with a RED spot had shown up down in the "Past Items" list and were MISSING from the tray! I made no changes to the customization, but simply re-booted and the current, correct configuration showed up.

    There have been a few possible workarounds proposed in the referenced thread, including a pause at the Welcome Screen, a possible excessive number of items in the tray and some possible solutions at Kelly's Korner, which I'm so far too nervous to try. I'm obviously not too sure if any of those ideas really help the problem. It should also be noted that when one or more of my icons ends up missing from the Tray, the program does seem to be running and only the missing icon might mean that it's something one doesn't need to worry about.

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Al,
    The "pause" method at the Welcome Screen was working for a time, but in the past few weeks, it too has become sporadic. Unlike your configuration, I have my Notification Area set to display all icons - i.e. I don't hide the inactive icons. A few days ago, I tried <!post=Phil's suggestion,442330>Phil's suggestion<!/post> and the problem seems to have disappeared.

    As well, the problem as outlined in <!post=Jefferson's post,439606>Jefferson's post<!/post> reappeared on my machine. Although I don't see much similarity between the two problems, this too cleared up after creating the new registry entry. <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15> I guess only time will tell whether this is a permanent solution or only a coincidence.
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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Good point, John, so maybe you can answer something. Phil hasn't been around much lately so I never asked him these questions. He said Max Cached Icons and most string names have no spaces. Did you put spaces in yours? He also said it's a NEW string but then he said his OLD value was... What value did you put in yours? Lastly, thinking that Phil is a Win98 guy, I was a little hesitant to make an entry in the XP Pro registry. (Further) Advice?

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Check out this thread at Windows XP Annoyances Discussion Forum A Plug N Play Issue

    Check out missing system tray icon a auto log in issue

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    I included the spaces and I assigned the 4096 value. I'm not sure what Phil meant by OLD value either. Perhaps he had created this "new" string at some other point in time and then simply changed the value at a later time. In any event, either the system is reading this new key, or the system is disregarding it (because of the spaces) and the apparent "fixes" are simply coincidental. Time will tell I suppose.
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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Well, let's "stay in touch" on it then, for I too set the item to 4096 but I made the name MaxCachedIcons (no spaces).

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Just wanted you to know I'm checking the first of your two links, Dave. Whew, that's a long thread and hard to read in widescreen form. The trouble with these types of things is that you don't know (early on) whether someone's suggestion is a solution or just something else to try. I'm still reading it and took a break to make this post.

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    We'll definitely "stay in touch" Al. Interesting to see which syntax is correct (assuming that this "solution" keeps working for either of us).

    I also read the thread that Dave pointed to, and while many of the contributers seemed to find a solution by disabling the Universal Plug & Play Device Host and the SSDP discovery service, many also seem to agree that this is a "timing" issue. I am tempted to try disabling both of these serevices, but on my machine, both of these are set to "manual". Upon further investigation, UnPnP has NOT started, but the SSDP service IS running. Something (and I don't know what) has started this service and I am reluctant to disable it for fear that it will impact something else. I will monitor my configuratation for a few more days to see if I can come up with something conclusive.
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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    BigAl,

    The name needs the spaces. Check out X-Setup Pro - one of the best tweaking tools available. Still <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15> until version 7.0 (now in beta). This is from the software description of the icon cache setting:

    "This setting specifies how many icons should be cached, the default value (also the minimum) is 500 icons, and theoretical maximum is 2000, but on some systems it is possible to increase this number up to 8000."

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Thanks Joe. I'd better change mine before I crash on this morning's reboot!

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    1) One re-boot does not a solution make, but at least I didn't crash! I did go outside for a smoke while the Welcome Screen did its thing and my nine icons are in the tray. More later.

    2) Footnote to Joe. I've had X-Teq's X-Setup on my machine for a long time - currently version 6.2 so I downloaded 6.6 just to see. In 6.2 I looked and looked until I had a headache and couldn't find anything about icons or the tray or notification area. The only thing I could find in Help/Search was problems with icons after installing X-Setup.

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Al,

    I don't have it here at work. I'll check tonight at home and post the location. I did have to search for a while myself.

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Hi Al,
    Well the "Max Cached Icons" suggestion did not hold. Late last evening, I had occasion to reboot and I lost several icons in the Notification Area. This morning, I downloaded and installed x-setup to which <!post=Joe's post,451500>Joe's post<!/post> referred. It certainly is comprehensive. In any event, one of the tweaks in this utility recommended disabling the Universal Plug & Play Device Host and the SSDP discovery service, and it outlined the reasons for doing so. I then disabled both of them. As a test then, I rebooted several times (both cold and warm) and clicked my name immediately as soon as the Welcome Screen displayed. NO DISAPPEARING ICONS ! I'll monitor this for the next while and see what happens.
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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    Yes, I hope this is indeed the solution. BTW (and you're probably aware of this), you can also disable (and re-enable) these two services from (right click) My Computer>Manage>Services and Applications>Services as well as from x-setup. <img src=/S/crossfingers.gif border=0 alt=crossfingers width=17 height=16>
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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    This is almost as exciting as the old A-Team television show! <img src=/S/anigrin.gif border=0 alt=anigrin width=19 height=19> Like George Peppard used to say: "Don'cha just love it when a plan comes together!" I'm gonna spend a little time tonight looking for what you and Joe pointed out. Good luck and for our sake, I hope it pans out...

    Edited: I hope you (or Joe) don't mind telling me where you found this stuff about SSDP. I just install the 6.6 version and I'm going through the <img src=/w3timages/censored.gif alt=censored border=0> menu one click at a time, trying to find what you and Joe did. I guess "ol' guy" syndrome has got me 'cause I ain't found it yet...

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    Re: System Tray (Notification Area) (XP Pro SP2)

    A little more news. While disabling the SSDP and the UnPnP services cleared up the notification area icon problem, I was no longer able to launch my router's (Linksys) configuration. I use this on a fairly regular basis but with SSDP disabled, this was disabled as well. As soon as I re-enabled SSDP, the router configuration was again accessible. Upon a reboot however (and a quick logon), icons were again missing. I guess I'm stuck with either a delayed logon (after the Welcome Screen appears) and access to the router configuration OR a quick logon with no disappearing icons but no access to the router configuration. <img src=/S/brickwall.gif border=0 alt=brickwall width=25 height=15> <img src=/S/mad.gif border=0 alt=mad width=15 height=15> <img src=/S/shrug.gif border=0 alt=shrug width=39 height=15>
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