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    slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    I've got a fairly new laptop, not too many extras loaded. I boot up XP and let it go through the startup dance (loading McAfee, drivers, etc.). Then, about half the time when I start Outlook, the drive spins for about 2-3 minutes before the program will start. Similar symptom with Firefox or IE, though perhaps only 1-2 minutes. I've tried to restart on a few occasions, and I get a shutdown warning naming WMS Idle.

    I've tried to look through msconfig for extraneous startup items, but there are several I can't identify, which makes it a bit of a challenge.

    Has anyone encountered this or perhaps has some ideas....?

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    McAfee is known to slow down a system or two among other things.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Yup, that was one of my chief suspects. In which case, that begs the next question.....I've tried McAffee, I've tried Norton. They both do a great job of protecting my machines (Norton seems far more intrusive, but they're both annoying as all get out). So how does one protect a PC and still lead a normal (computing) life?

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    I use NAV, not the suite, ZoneAlarm and popup blocker from Google and MSm and Ad-Aware and the AntiSpyware beta1 from MS.

    Now running HP Pavilion a6528p, with Win7 64 Bit OS.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    I would also suspect McAfee. Do you have it set to scan for virus at startup? That will eat up a lot of time.

    What are the unknown items in the startup that you can't identify?
    Can you post a screenshot or just a listing of them?
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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    I use Avast Personal A/V, Sygate Personal Firewall, IE 6 SP-2 popup blocker, Ad-aware Personal, Spbot S&D, Spywareblaster, MS Anti-spyware Beta 1,Spambayes Outlook addin - all <img src=/S/free.gif border=0 alt=free width=30 height=15>.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Thanks for all the feedback. I don't have McAfee set to scan on startup. I use Ad Aware SE (the paid upgrade) and MS Anti-Spyware (just installed recently, this problem predates it), neither of which scans on startup. It's a laptop and my main office machine, so admittedly there are a few things installed to make my work easier (I'm a writer), but I've tried to disable the stuff I know is absolute crap (e.g., HP's annoying printer driver update utility).

    Clearly it's something that's loading on bootup (I think that's what WMS Idle is all about, no?). What I don't really understand is why it's not a consistant problem....half the time, Outlook boots right up, the other half it sits and spins the drive for a few minutes. I tried archiving/slimming down my .pst file, which tends to get pretty big, but it didn't make a difference. (I'd venture to guess it's not specifically an Outlook issue....that just happens to be what I tend to open first.)

    I'm attaching a screenshot of the startup stuff (and a second one with another post)....anything not shown on these two is already disabled. Anything stand out?

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Second startup shot...

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Download and install Autoruns from Sysinternals. It's a great free utility and much more informative than MSConfig. It the problem is something that is loading at startup, it will be much easier to spot with this utility.
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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Thanks, I've been looking for something like that.

    I'm beginning to think it's not startup related. I've been working on a Doc for about 40 minutes now and just tried to open Outlook and got the same symptom....took over a minute. Only other apps open were Firefox and Word. I don't geddit......

    Does anyone know of any utilities (preferably free and non-intrusive) along the line of Norton that can search out Windows problems?

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    I'll join the chorus with a comment that I gave up using Norton and McAfee a long time ago because of "system hogging" tendancies, but I understand that some (many) people are satisfied with those products. Joe's given you his selection, and my choice for AV is PC-cillin (Trend Micro Personal Homepage (US)).

    I've not kept up with McAfee since I abandoned it three years ago, but I see several McAfee entries in your Startup list. You ought to do a little reading at the McAfee forums and/or some Googling on each of the McAfee FILE NAMES in your startup queue. You might find, as I did, that there's one or more "hogs" that are not required and can be un-checked to stop system slowness.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    What is the hardware configuration? Processor speed & RAM in particular. You've got a fair amount of junk loading at startup. You should seriously consider getting rid of McAfee. Then I'd try to figure out what each of the Sony pieces do and eliminate those that aren't really needed. Do you really need Dragon Naturally speaking? How about the Acrobat junk? Many times the stuff loaded at startup just makes it a little faster to load when you use a particular product. For example, if you don't use Acrobat very often or you load it and leave it open then you probably do not want Acrobat assistant in your startup.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    It's a 1.8 GHZ Vaio laptop, half gig of RAM. Sometimes plugged into a docking station w/monitor and w/less mouse/kbd, sometimes not....makes no difference to the problem at hand.

    I'm fine with switching AV software....my only concern, based on my experience with NAV, is that it seems like it's impossible to fully remove it....Norton leaves so much crap in the registry after an uninstall, I'm never sure if I've gotten it all, even with a Regedit search for "norton" and "symantec." The stuff that remains tends to cause other conflicts. Afraid I may have the same issues with McAfee.

    I probably don't need the Acrobat stuff. I occasionally generate PDFs but I don't need it to autoload for that, do I? And what's the deal with their gamma thing...? Necessary?

    As to NatSpeak, yup....as a writer with RSI, I tend to use that pretty much daily.

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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    Adobe Gamma information.
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    Re: slow startup issues (XP SP2)

    John,

    Do you know how Autoruns compares to some of the other startup programs (not msconfig)? A few months ago, I downloaded a program (its on another computer not accessible right now) that was on this or the Software Finds Board (probably an Alan Miller find) that I used satisfactorily.

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