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    MS AntiSpyware update

    MS has released a refresh of the AntiSpyware beta. You may get it here: Windows AntiSpyware (Beta).

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    I installed it last night, seems stable (but the requests that you validate your MS Windows product are annoying). I ran it and it found one Spyware instance. Out of curiosity, I then ran Ad-Aware SE with the most recent reference file, and it found 31 questionable items, mostly cookies. <img src=/S/hmmn.gif border=0 alt=hmmn width=15 height=15>
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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    You can say No to the request to validate your "Windows Product" -- I know I did!

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    I am getting a very similar situation which has occurred since the MS AntiSpyware update in which I have run this program and found one or two errors at the most. In one case, I ran Spybot on a poor performing machine immediately after running the Microsoft Antispyware, and 40 incidents were found. Something does not seem right.

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    IIRC, the MS product does not detect 'tracking' cookies. Is this the main difference? Most people in the lounge and elsewhere will recommend that you not rely on any one product for spyware/adware detection as all seem to find slightly different things.

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    That would explain the differences I saw between MS Antispyware and Ad-Aware SE. I was wondering if MS had redefined some spyware as acceptable because it's from major players or business partners. A little bird tells me there was a similar discussion in another thread, and I'm not going to revisit the question. <img src=/S/grin.gif border=0 alt=grin width=15 height=15>
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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    None of this will matter if all the anti-spyware makers continues to buckle under threat of lawsuits from the spyware makers. CastleCops and other sites have been issued a Cease and Desist order to stop reporting that the spyware toolbar, iSearch/iDownload is spyware. Note that Microsoft and Symantec both report iSearch as spyware but since they have deep pockets, they were not attacked. That may change if the these weasels think that MS will shy away from an attack as it appears they have here. I say everyone needs to write your lawmakers and demand spyware in all forms be made illegal.

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    BTW - I have the option checked to...

    "Notify me when updates, patches, or new versions of Microsoft AntiSpyware are available" .

    Seems their Beta needs a little more work in that area too.
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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    I have some real worries about Micro$oft getting into the gamekeeper role. Some time ago I had some considerable difficulty in removing something called (I think) Alexa from a frield's computer. It turned out that this bit of software came with MSN.

    Can we trust Micro$oft not to nobble their program to ignore inconveniently profitable (for MS that is) spyware?

    What happens when MS has removed all alternative competitive antispyware and has taken control of the organisation that it's reports are forwarded to?

    No, I'm just being silly, that wouldn't happen ...

    What if MS Antispyware was itself checking up on us?

    No, now I'm just being neurotic ...

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    <hr>Can we trust Micro$oft not to nobble their program to ignore inconveniently profitable (for MS that is) spyware?<hr>
    I think yes - but we must assume no. I do not believe they will conveniently ignore a known threat for profit, but I worry they will do so out of a lack of testicular fortitude - afraid of getting sued. But we note that no one anti-spyware product has been enough. Personally, I use and recommend SpyBot S&D, AdAware SE, AND MSAS and I scan with all 3 every time and at least 1/week - with updated signature/definition files, of course.
    <hr>What happens when MS has removed all alternative competitive antispyware and has taken control of the organisation that it's reports are forwarded to?<hr>
    I don't think that will happen. That would put the whole burden back on them and they don't want that. I think we must accept (with a cautious eye) that MS may actually be telling the truth about intending to put security first. Note they bought the highest rated anti-spyware product (Giant) and within a few days, released it free to the public and they have announced it will remain free. They know they need to make a goodwill gesture, or two. Providing the best for free is a big start and I, as a long time MS basher, personally commend them.

    They released SP2 KNOWING it had a 15% upgrade failure rate - stating they are weighing security over backwards compatibility - upsetting quite a few in the process. BUT, it was the right thing to do. Maintaining support for legacy products and protocols created in the days when security was not an issue for home and small business users is a major cause of these problems. Because these folks refused to upgrade - EVER, and because MS did not want to upset a huge customer base already upset that changing standards were costing them money, support, and the inevitable security holes, remained!

    Is this change motivated by profit? Sure - but what I think is they finally realized that Uncle Sam does indeed have the powers to break them up - and the EU can play hardball too. They finally realize that a safe computing world, is a productive world and growing world. And a productive and growing world, buys!
    <hr>No, I'm just being silly, that wouldn't happen ...<hr>
    Not for this - again, MS wants a secure world - they can make more money if people are buying Office and Windows instead of firewalls, scanners, and LOTS of extra bandwidth - more than 50% (I can't remember, it might be more) is consumed by SPAM and other malware.
    <hr>What if MS Antispyware was itself checking up on us?<hr>
    There are too many very smart people on our side constantly making sure they don't. I am not worried about that one bit.
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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    Joe/Gents,
    On lounge members recommendations I have readily embraced both Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D, which I run on a weekly basis - I also have Spybot 'Resident' running whenever my computer is on. Question: Is a Beta version of anything something that someone like myself (ie, not particularly computer literate) ought really to be toying with? Or should I (we?), perhaps, await a fully fledged version, suitably tested by more experienced loungers? I note in passing that there is a Spybot S&D 'Beta', but I haven't yet seen anyone in the lounge recommending that we should load it (or is this something a bit different?). Bottom line; should I take the plunge and embrace the Beta, including any problems it might cause, or should I await the 'real mccoy' at a future date?
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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    My <img src=/S/2cents.gif border=0 alt=2cents width=15 height=15> worth, if even that valuable!

    The MS AntiSpyware Beta is just a somewhat re-interfaced version of Giant AntiSpyware, and following a few teething troubles it seems to be fine (at least to me!). It updates regularly and automatically, in my experience. It found a few funnies initially, but has now settled down to finding nothing (as I would expect...!).

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    Keith,
    In general, if you are not comfortable with software that is likely incomplete then avoid a beta version. That said however, if you are really interested in the a program and there is a beta version look for a support forum by the vendor, the Lounge, or a newsgroup about the the program. If the response to a beta version is favorable you might take a chance with it. It is especially important with beta software that you have a good backup of your system before you install it. Then monitor what goes on diligently.

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    I don't know of a formal definition of beta testing, but it is usually characterized as the final testing (by users, as opposed to in-house) prior to going live for full/ public release. Have a look here to get a feel for what it's all about. Because there's no hard & fast criteria, beta releases can vary from "confidently stable" to something pretty shoddy that will crash the system each & every time. If you're not really interested in contributing to the testing (via forum, inbuilt feedback reporting etc.) there's usually little point in grabbing the beta.

    It's not really contingent on user experience though, except to the extent of maybe panicing if something goes awry. And of course there are always inherent risks with "unproven" (even "proven") software. In the case of Spybot S&D, I'd be waiting for the next verified release, which will contain all of the successful features of the beta.

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    Re: MS AntiSpyware update

    John/Joe/Alan,
    Many thanks for inputs, useful stuff, especially the reminder to back-up before installing Beta's, something I'd probably not have thought of! - and Alan; Didn't know you knew me so well! (("It's not really contingent on user experience though, except to the extent of maybe panicing <img src=/S/scream.gif border=0 alt=scream width=15 height=15> if something goes awry"))!!!!!!!!.
    I think, on balance, that I'll give the Beta a miss, at least for now, although it's obviously going to become a firm part of the 'safety' arsenal, along with Ad-Aware and Spybot S&D (or at least, that's the impression I get from the many posts on the subject).
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