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    I am expecting a bit much?

    The 6th April copy of Compuerworld has an article:
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Unbelievable.... <img src=/S/igiveup.gif border=0 alt=igiveup width=31 height=23>
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Well, since it is illegal to create and distribute code that intentionally destroys data or disrupts commerce, then I would think offering the reward would be illegal. Isn't that similar to hiring a hit man?

    If the police were there ones offering the bribe - I mean "reward", isn't that also akin to "entrapment"?
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    <hr><center>Is it just me that views this as being highly irregular and extremely unprofessional?</center>
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    Completely irresponsible comes to mind. Highly illegal ??? <big>[b]STUPID !!![b]</big>
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    This might sound silly but there are companies out there that will come into your company and try to break into your computer system for you to see where there are holes in your security. Most people like this idea and will pay big bucks for it. Could DVForge have done something similar with say the AV programmers at Symantec Corporation. " sort of a put up or shut up deal". I think that would have conveyed the same message that DVForge wanted the public to know...what do you think???

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    See my previous post.
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    So you think challenging the AV programmers at Symantec Corporation to make a virus that could infect the Mac OS is a bad idea. If it was tested by a 3rd party (say consumer reports or someone else qualified). I am not saying release the virus to the public and see what happens. I am saying controlled lab situation. Collect the results and destroy the virus. Much in the same way medicine is researched.

    Please Doc do not think I am arguing with you. I agree with you totally that the method DVForge used was wrong!!!! What I am saying is that they have alternatives to find out the same information that they are looking for. How else do you build the better mouse trap then to analyze the way the mouse got out of the trap the last time? This way the public is also protected with a better mouse trap and no mice running around the web, all they see is the better trap

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Cory,

    I don't believe the challenge is in writing a virus for the Mac platform. It can and has been done. The reason it is not widely done is because of the Mac's limited user base. Why write a virus for a system that fewer than 10% of the computing world uses ?? No big catastrophy when it gets spread around.

    I agree with your theory of virus hunting and comparing it to medical research and a better mouse trap, but I'd venture that a good bit of their research is done that way to create protection against the variants and mutations of the different virus strains. Besides, they don't need to spend their time writing viruses. The script kiddies and hackers are working 24/7/365 at that for them. <img src=/S/disappointed.gif border=0 alt=disappointed width=15 height=15>

    The offer of a reward was pulled for legal reasons. Fortunately for DVForge, there are no laws against being stupid.
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Corey

    This particular incident was clearly a case of brinkmanship getting out of hand. Although security companies (like Symantec) are continually writing virus code for the "virtuous" purposes you describe, that was not the motive behind DVForge's challenge. Nor was their motive nefarious - it was simply to put a lid on Symantec's attempt at spreading panic and getting people to buy their product...

    The company placed two G5 PowerMac computers running OS X 10.3 Panther on the Internet and issued a statement on its Web page that challenged Internet users to create a virus that would spread between the two machines on or before July 31, 2005. In a dig at Symantec, DVForge offered double the reward, US$50,000, to any employee of Symantec who won the contest, Campbell said.

    So I'd put it in the class of "arguably irresponsible".

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    And what is worse is that all those script kiddies and hackers that were working towards the $25G will now be ticked off at the money being retracted and keep going with the viruses they were creating anyways....

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Alan,

    I was unaware of the details behind this little story but, while I agree that AV companies shouldn't scare people into using their products, I still think that "irresponsible" isn't strong enough for what these people did in the name of business and competition.

    Brinkmanship being "the policy of pushing a dangerous situation to the brink of disaster (to the limits of safety)" I have to wonder what it was that actually made them retract the challenge and the reward. While the legal aspect of it is daunting in and of itself, DVForge sued by Apple for creating free testbed for Hackers and Virus Writers !!!, I wonder if they realized that someone might actually do it and they would have to pay up while publicly wiping the egg off their faces and then very likely defending themselves against several lawsuits. I think it was irresponsible to put the challenge out in the public domain, but that it was a stupid idea from just about any perspective (business, moral, ethical, common sense, intellectual, etc). But all that aside, did they really think that any virus writer that had even a clue how to do something like that was going to come out of the woodwork for a miserable $50,000 and expose themself to the legal system and prosecution ??? It would cost them more than $50,000 to defend themselves !!! <img src=/S/yep.gif border=0 alt=yep width=15 height=15>
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    Amen.
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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    <hr>But all that aside, did they really think that any virus writer that had even a clue how to do something like that was going to come out of the woodwork for a miserable $50,000 and expose themself to the legal system and prosecution ??? It would cost them more than $50,000 to defend themselves !!! <hr>

    Only if they are in a country which gives a hoot about stuff like that. You get some script kiddy in a country where there is no laws against these infractions and they would kill for the $25G without hesitation. The only thing to worry about would be getting the money in the first place.

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    Re: I am expecting a bit much?

    > Although security companies (like Symantec) are continually writing virus code for the "virtuous" purposes you describe...

    Many security researchers create small programs to demonstrate the existence of a software vulnerability. However, these usually cannot spread themselves or infect systems without additional code, so I would not characterize it as writing a virus. Perhaps it's more like inventing a new bit of DNA coding that others can insert into a virus...

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