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    Exact positioning of text

    When I used to use WordPerfect, there was a function called vadv (vertical advance) which would position the text immediately following it at an exact point on the page, vertically or horizontally, no matter what came before it. However, I have yet to find the equivalent in Word (97). Has anybody come across anything that could be used to do this, please?
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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Try the ADVANCE field with the /y N switches, which places the following text N points vertically relative to the page. There are other switches available, and can be accessed by Insert, Field and select the Equations and Formulas category.

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    <img src=/S/smile.gif border=0 alt=smile width=15 height=15> Thanks, Andrew - that's exactly what I wanted! How come I never found it in all the years I've been looking for it in this flamin' program ?!... <img src=/S/bash.gif border=0 alt=bash width=35 height=39>
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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    AFAIK, the ADVANCE field was only put into Word to humor ex-WP users.
    Users that grew up with Word rarely use it (... you don't miss what you never had in the first place).

    I think it's a relic of the dark ages of typesetting, when you hacked in some numbers to position your text. It's one of those living dead <img src=/S/frank.gif border=0 alt=frank width=15 height=15> still hiding in the dark corners of Word, and I'm very glad Microsoft does nothing to encourage its use.


    <img src=/S/hello.gif border=0 alt=hello width=25 height=29> Regards, Klaus

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    How very patronising, Klaus! So anything you don't have a use for is put there to 'humor' previous users of other systems that happen to be more comprehensive than Word, is it?!

    Actually, I simply needed to be able to position the first lines of a letter in a template so that they never showed in a window envelope, no matter how many lines the address above consisted of.

    If you don't have anything constructive to say, why bother saying anything at all?
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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    I am very sorry if I offended you. English is not my native language, so I used the wrong word. And I have no interest in bashing Word Perfect, I don't know it good enough to have an opinion about it. I do know a bit about Word, and I just wanted to say that I think the notion of the advance field goes against the grain of Word.

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings; I wanted to express an opinion on a word processing program, not one on people.

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Apology accepted - but that being the case, how would you have done what I need to do if Advance is 'against the grain of Word' (see previous post)? Remembering it's for a basic letter template to be used by hundreds of staff for many different types/lengths of letter, so ideas such as putting the text in a table would not be feasible ...
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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    My letter template has a text box that is the same size as the envelope window and positioned on the page so that it lines up with the window when the page goes in the envelope.

    If my address doesn't fit in the text box I know it won't show on the envelope so I can adjust font size/line spacing etc to make it fit. The rest of the letter text sits outside and below this text box and so never appears in the window.

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Good suggestion, but (1) the address is filled in automatically from another program some of the time, and (2) the letter is created entirely from VBA code (I didn't set it up this way, it's part of a suite that was set up by a previous occupier of my job) and I don't think either of these will allow for text boxes! I may be wrong.

    But using Advance seems so simple compared to text boxes, tables etc I don't really understand what the objection is?!
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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Glad you accept my apologies (let's face it: it *was* a dumb comment). I had just read a post some hours before that said Microsoft should make a nice user interface for the Advance field, so that you can jump around the page easily and type some text. Since I've to maintain/convert other peoples documents, that seemed a veritable nightmare, and I guess I used your post to release the anger.
    Using a text frame (anchored relative to the page border) sounds good; I'd probably have a look at forms and Forms.TextBoxes, too (shouldn't be a problem to fill either with a macro) ... but I must admit I have no experience at all using forms. Heck, you might even catch me using an Advance {g, d & r}

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Beryl,

    I've only had call to try to use an Advance field on two occasions, and both times ended up crashing Word! (97) (specifically it was trying to get a character to go outside of the left margin that seemed to cause the crash)

    This is of course too small a sampling to draw any conclusions, but it was enough for me to steer clear of Advance fields from then on! I wonder if anyone else out there has had any similar problems with use of Advance; if so it would be helpful to hear them.

    Sorry I don't have a better alternative suggestion though.

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Gary,

    I've used ADVANCE on numerous occasions in Word 97 and never had a crash. Of course, I wasn't doing what you were doing. Things that I've used it for are for positioning pronunciation marks (whatever they're called, like a bar for a long vowel sound) over a letter. I also suggested it once on this lounge for someone from Israel who had to position vowel sounds under letters.

    So I decided to try your "application" (but I'm in 2000 now).

    If you put an ADVANCE l as the first thing on the line, it does move a para mark back but you can't type on the line. If you type some chars on the line and then put an ADVANCE l in front of the first char, it does move the line to the left. But you still can't type on the line in the area left of the margin. If you click in the left margin area to select the line, the text to the left of the left margin is NOT selected; however, if you add formatting to the line (eg, Bold), the formatting is applied to the entire line. And No Crashes.

    Is any of this useful?

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Pardon my ignorance, but what on earth is 'Advance' in Word?

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Advance is one of those things that one hardly ever uses but comes in handy every now and then.

    When you type characters (numbers, letters, punctuation), Word figures out how much space to put between the characters based on various factors like fonts, kerning, etc. So once you type a character, Word figures out the horizontal distance to leave between it and the next character once you've typed it. Of course, the character goes on the same line unless there's no more room. So, Word starts a new line.

    The same general approach applies to spaces between lines.

    In general, Word is in control of horizontal and vertical positioning depending on various settings and what you're typing.

    Advance allows you to control horizontal and vertical positioning. Say you've just typed the letter "A" and follow that with a "W". Word will decide how much horizontal space to leave. With Advance, you can override that. You'd put in an Advance field (Insert | Field) between the "A" and "W". You can, for example, "advance" 2 points to the left (a point is 1/72 of an inch). Now when you type the "W", it's closer to the "A" than Word would have put it. Likewise, you can "advance" to the right, up or down.

    As I said in previous posting, one of my uses is to create vowel marks. You have to be very careful when using advance to make sure that you get back to where the next letter was to be typed - if that's important.

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    Re: Exact positioning of text

    Now I know why I prefer PageMaker. The degree of control you have with kerning, leading, tracking, vertical and horizontal alignment leaves Word for dead. But I agree Word definitely has its uses, but for anything that requires some degree of text manipulation, it can't compete. Thank you for enlightening me on the Advance feature.

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